Pulled over..

[chiefshayan]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

I didn't realize you are in Berkeley. That's asshole cop central. Having lived in Berkeley for about four years of my life, I suggest you move.

Definitely, but I feel like most douches are the motorcycle police, have had plenty of good experiences with regular cops. After I graduate from UC Berkeley I'm definitely moving to San Diego lol

[Trikle]

in CA its not worth going without a front plate, in SF meter maids will ticket you for it without you even being at your car.

Ive found i get pulled over less in my BRZ with illegal window tint than i did in my accord. Actually havent been pulled over a single time even when pulling up next to cops, and ive had it for about 2 years now.

[996garage]

chiefshayan,

I've been pulled over for loud exhaust on many occasions. My friend (who is also a cop) told me that the officer was just being a jerk giving you a hard time by writing you up for a "non-correctable" violation.

I've been written up for both correctable and non-correctable exhaust violations in CA.

From my experience, if it a "correctable", then you can just goto any CHP or Sheriff station to have them inspect and sign the citation. Pay the $10 fee and you're done.

However, with my first non-correctable exhaust ticket, I had to go to the Santa Monica court and wait in the long ass line to see the clerk where I paid around a $165 fine, but that was 15 years ago.

I had already changed the exhaust back to stock, so I ask the clerk how they want to check my exhaust? The court clerk tells me they don't need to check the exhaust because it was a non-correctable violation. I'm like WTF? So I ask, "if it's correctable, then I have to fix it and only pay $10, but it it's non-correctable, then I have to pay a big fine and nobody needs to check if I fixed it?"

She replies, "yup". That's CA laws for you...

Had this happen a 2nd time in Orange County 5 years ago, but the OC clerk insisted that I must go to my court date to see the judge to resolve the violation. I know LA and OC have different court systems, but WTF?

So on my court date when it's my turn to talk to the judge in court, he asks me, "so you're only here because you have a non-correctable exhaust violation??"

I say "yes". Then the judge asks, "so did you fix it?" I reply "yes". Then the judge says, "you shouldn't have to come to court for this, you are free to go".

Hopefully my experiences will help you. My advice, just don't put on a super loud exhaust, and you'll be fine. You also need to put your front plate on if you ever drive to the airport. They ticket people all the time there for no plate.(I know!)

[LuxuryVapes]

I remember when I had my highly modified rx8 I was on this certain cops radar he would find any excuse he could to write me ticket such as you where speeding 65mph on a 25mph "bs" he wouldn't write me a speeding ticket just kept slamming me on fix it tickets lol went on for about 5 months and almost once every week lol

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by chiefshayan

Definitely, but I feel like most douches are the motorcycle police, have had plenty of good experiences with regular cops. After I graduate from UC Berkeley I'm definitely moving to San Diego lol

Motorcycle officers are usually assigned traffic duty. Those who like traffic duty are usually assigned traffic duty. Those who actually like traffic duty are not usually the nicest people to drivers, IMHO. They actually enjoy ticketing people.

When I did a ride along several years ago, the officer was 100% focused on violent and drug crime. A stupid woman cut him off, which pissed him off, but because there was a mass shooter on the loose and the whole force was out looking for a van, she got away with a warning.

Of course if all police were like him, we'd all drive way faster.

[uEih]

Motorcycle cops and CHPs are always the ones I'm worried about. The police cars are usually not a big deal unless you're doing something really off.

[chiefshayan]

UPDATE:

I made an appointment at the college of Alameda for next week to get a Vehicle Exhaust Noise Level Certification. After digging around for an hour I found this tucked-away page on the bar.ca.gov website. If the car is under 95db, I pass and I will be able to show the referee my certification. It's a fee of $108 to get this certification, but if any cop wants to complain about my exhaust, I just show them my certification and they cannot write-me up.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...evel_Cert.html

I'm sure the Milltek non-resonated will pass, I believe Mann Engineering did a test with the full resonated system (catback, frontpipe, overpipe) and it was ~86dB inside a closed garage. I only have the catback. Wish me luck!

[JS + BRZ]

Good luck!

One thing though. If you show that certificate to the cop, he/she will likely to give you a ticket for something else. haha That's how they do it.

[chiefshayan]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Good luck!

One thing though. If you show that certificate to the cop, he/she will likely to give you a ticket for something else. haha That's how they do it.

I know man it's crazy, that's why I'm not getting tinted windows, putting my front plate on, not blacking out any taillights. Just want to enjoy this damn car haha

[shiumai]

i got a non-correctable ticket for loud motorcycle exhaust (ducati 996) 10 years ago. i did my research, contested it by mail and it was dismissed. here's what i wrote.



STATEMENT OF FACTS:

On the morning of 9-20-04, a friend on an identical motorcycle and I were making our way down Angeles Crest Highway, a popular destination for motorcyclists, under the speed limit. We were coming out of a canyon into an open area and saw officer x by the side of the road. He motioned us over, so we pulled over and turned off our motorcycles. He said that he had pulled us over for having loud exhausts. He wrote me a citation without listening to my motorcycle. He then asked my friend to start up his bike, and after listening to it on idle, wrote him a citation. While he was writing us up, officer x made some statements:

• “Over 20 bikers have died up here this year” – I do not see the correlation between accidents and exhaust noise. According to CHP Bulletin NO.98-100, “Excessive noise is primarily a nuisance rather than a safety concern, and determination of excessive noise is subjective.” I do not think that we were being a nuisance to anyone, but were discriminated against simply because we were on sport motorcycles. As we stood there, he ignored bikers on Harley Davidson bikes that were clearly louder than ours, but other sport bikers made him raise his head.

• “I would be giving out speeding tickets, but my radar gun isn’t working today” – If officer x did not trust his judgment of speed to write speeding tickets, which he writes every day, how could he determine whether the decibel level of our exhausts were over the level allowed by the law? He had no decibel meter, and did not listen to my exhaust alone, only when I was riding with my friend right behind me. Quoting CHP Bulletin NO.98-100 again,

Enforcement Guidelines

The only drivers who should be cited are those whose vehicles:

1) are not equipped with a muffler

2) clearly emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, or

3) have clearly a defective exhaust systems (holes, leaks, etc.)

The muffler system came with my bike when I purchased it 3 months prior, and both previous owners had experienced no trouble since the bike was new in ’01. Neither 1) nor 3) applied to my motorcycle. Officer x had no way of determining if the noise was excessive. If it had been a normal highway with cars on it instead of in the pristine, clear mountain air, in silent surroundings, I doubt it would have turned his head. He also wrote my citation based on listening to BOTH motorcycles at the same time, and could not have distinguished between the two as we pulled up side by side.

3. “I could hear you before I saw you” – This is the explanation officer x gave us when asked how he determined our exhausts were above the legal limit. As we stood there, the air was so clear and the surroundings so quiet that we could hear the sound of EVERY vehicle coming before they appeared around the bend, even passenger cars. From the direction we came from (a canyon that opened up into a flat area), we noticed that noise from oncoming vehicles bounces off the canyon walls and is directed towards the area. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit the modification of the exhaust system and officer x offered no proof that the noise level was not in compliance with the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Also, the “lower noise limits of Section 23130.5 apply only to relatively level roadways and under conditions of relatively constant speed. They specifically do not apply to areas…"with a change in grade”. Angeles Crest highway consists of constant changes in grade, which require acceleration and deceleration of the engine to maintain a constant speed.


The CHP guideline also states that “Providing none of the disqualifying conditions listed in Section 40610b are present, the use of CHP 281 “Notice to correct” or checking the dismissible violation “Yes” box on the CHP 215, “Notice to Appear to Appear-Arrear Citation”, would be appropriate for violations”

My citation is checked ‘No’ in the correctable violation box. Under Section 40303.5, an arresting officer shall permit the arrested person to execute a notice containing a promise to correct the violation in accordance with the provisions of Section 40610, unless disqualified (none of those conditions in Section 40610.b apply to my case).

My infraction is listed under 27151(a), falls under the range specified by Division 12 (24000 to 28150), and my exhaust being a piece of equipment, falls within Division 12. Being issued an equipment violation citation as being ‘non-correctible’ was also puzzling to me.

I later learned that the day before (9-25-04), there were at least 4 accidents on the Crest due to an unusually large group ride of more than 60 bikers. I can only surmise that the extremely heavy CHP presence the following day was a ‘crack down’ on sport bikers, to discourage bikers from riding up the ‘Crest’ due to threat of citations. While I understand officer x’s good intentions at reducing the amount of accidents on Angeles Crest Highway, I felt that neither my friend nor I posed a danger or nuisance to anyone else on the road, and we were discriminated against simply because we were sport bikers – based on the bikes we rode and our protective gear, not because we were doing anything unsafe. I have been riding safely up and down Angeles Crest highway for the past 8 years and hope to continue safely for years to come.






I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct.

[shiumai]

i got a non-correctable ticket for loud motorcycle exhaust (ducati 996) 10 years ago. i did my research, contested it by mail and it was dismissed. here's what i wrote.



STATEMENT OF FACTS:

On the morning of 9-20-04, a friend on an identical motorcycle and I were making our way down Angeles Crest Highway, a popular destination for motorcyclists, under the speed limit. We were coming out of a canyon into an open area and saw officer x by the side of the road. He motioned us over, so we pulled over and turned off our motorcycles. He said that he had pulled us over for having loud exhausts. He wrote me a citation without listening to my motorcycle. He then asked my friend to start up his bike, and after listening to it on idle, wrote him a citation. While he was writing us up, officer x made some statements:

• “Over 20 bikers have died up here this year” – I do not see the correlation between accidents and exhaust noise. According to CHP Bulletin NO.98-100, “Excessive noise is primarily a nuisance rather than a safety concern, and determination of excessive noise is subjective.” I do not think that we were being a nuisance to anyone, but were discriminated against simply because we were on sport motorcycles. As we stood there, he ignored bikers on Harley Davidson bikes that were clearly louder than ours, but other sport bikers made him raise his head.

• “I would be giving out speeding tickets, but my radar gun isn’t working today” – If officer x did not trust his judgment of speed to write speeding tickets, which he writes every day, how could he determine whether the decibel level of our exhausts were over the level allowed by the law? He had no decibel meter, and did not listen to my exhaust alone, only when I was riding with my friend right behind me. Quoting CHP Bulletin NO.98-100 again,

Enforcement Guidelines

The only drivers who should be cited are those whose vehicles:

1) are not equipped with a muffler

2) clearly emit an offensive, harsh, excessive noise, or

3) have clearly a defective exhaust systems (holes, leaks, etc.)

The muffler system came with my bike when I purchased it 3 months prior, and both previous owners had experienced no trouble since the bike was new in ’01. Neither 1) nor 3) applied to my motorcycle. Officer x had no way of determining if the noise was excessive. If it had been a normal highway with cars on it instead of in the pristine, clear mountain air, in silent surroundings, I doubt it would have turned his head. He also wrote my citation based on listening to BOTH motorcycles at the same time, and could not have distinguished between the two as we pulled up side by side.

3. “I could hear you before I saw you” – This is the explanation officer x gave us when asked how he determined our exhausts were above the legal limit. As we stood there, the air was so clear and the surroundings so quiet that we could hear the sound of EVERY vehicle coming before they appeared around the bend, even passenger cars. From the direction we came from (a canyon that opened up into a flat area), we noticed that noise from oncoming vehicles bounces off the canyon walls and is directed towards the area. Section 27151 VC does not prohibit the modification of the exhaust system and officer x offered no proof that the noise level was not in compliance with the noise limits established in Sections 27201-27206 VC. Also, the “lower noise limits of Section 23130.5 apply only to relatively level roadways and under conditions of relatively constant speed. They specifically do not apply to areas…"with a change in grade”. Angeles Crest highway consists of constant changes in grade, which require acceleration and deceleration of the engine to maintain a constant speed.


The CHP guideline also states that “Providing none of the disqualifying conditions listed in Section 40610b are present, the use of CHP 281 “Notice to correct” or checking the dismissible violation “Yes” box on the CHP 215, “Notice to Appear to Appear-Arrear Citation”, would be appropriate for violations”

My citation is checked ‘No’ in the correctable violation box. Under Section 40303.5, an arresting officer shall permit the arrested person to execute a notice containing a promise to correct the violation in accordance with the provisions of Section 40610, unless disqualified (none of those conditions in Section 40610.b apply to my case).

My infraction is listed under 27151(a), falls under the range specified by Division 12 (24000 to 28150), and my exhaust being a piece of equipment, falls within Division 12. Being issued an equipment violation citation as being ‘non-correctible’ was also puzzling to me.

I later learned that the day before (9-25-04), there were at least 4 accidents on the Crest due to an unusually large group ride of more than 60 bikers. I can only surmise that the extremely heavy CHP presence the following day was a ‘crack down’ on sport bikers, to discourage bikers from riding up the ‘Crest’ due to threat of citations. While I understand officer x’s good intentions at reducing the amount of accidents on Angeles Crest Highway, I felt that neither my friend nor I posed a danger or nuisance to anyone else on the road, and we were discriminated against simply because we were sport bikers – based on the bikes we rode and our protective gear, not because we were doing anything unsafe. I have been riding safely up and down Angeles Crest highway for the past 8 years and hope to continue safely for years to come.

[bkblitzed]

changing a cbe is technically illegal in california. Just swap your stock one, go get it fixed and swap it back, i dont see why you're complaining about it.

[PMok]

Originally Posted by bkblitzed

changing a cbe is technically illegal in california

basis for this statement? I feel pretty confident it is untrue. Please don't spread misinformation.

[bkblitzed]

Originally Posted by PMok

basis for this statement? I feel pretty confident it is untrue. Please don't spread misinformation.

just like how he quoted

27151. (a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor
vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted
by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance
with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits
established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with
Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an
exhaust system so modified.

27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all
times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and
properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and
no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass,
or similar device.

Reason why i said "technically" is the cop is the judgement maker in whether your exhaust is "illegal" even if it's a lower db limit.