BRZ vs S2000 vs Cayman S (my take)

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Superstar

Current. It's been proven that he's a great driver, but I'm wondering if there are other mods we can't see outwardly. Perhaps some other mods that that modifies the suspension geometry.

What I would really like to see is the BRZ hitting 1:57x with 195-200 whp with full interior. Possible?

The current car is capable of 1:50s. Are you willing to spend 45k parts and development?

There is no magic suspension geometry change. Contrary to belief, the suspension setup is fairly simple. It's balanced for the specific aero and tire setup for the car. Even more simple than most time attack cars these days with minimal gutting.

With street tires and full interior, it's going to take hell of a lot of effort to get to 1:57. We can build you a 59 car with minimal mods, but you better find a way to drive better than Rob or Mike.

[regal]

Why the preference toward the S2k over a Lotus Elis, I mean if you are serious about track worthiness I can't imagine the S2k or Cayman could hold a candle? Just curious.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by smbstyle

I was considering a s2000 before I got the BRZ, but I have heard they are very twitchy at the limit, crack rotors easily on track, oil starvation issues, and I found the passenger seat to be horribly cramped.

@CSG Mike, having a lot of s2000 experience, what does it take to make these cars "track worthy"?

Absolutely required:

Brake pads, brake fluid

Should have:

Front offset ball joint
rear offset ball joint
brake ducts + bbk

Nice to have:
Test pipe + tune
Suspension
Aero
square wheels/tires

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by regal

Why the preference toward the S2k over a Lotus Elis, I mean if you are serious about track worthiness I can't imagine the S2k or Cayman could hold a candle? Just curious.

Wheelbase, (bad) engine, parts cost.

[regal]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Wheelbase, (bad) engine, parts cost.

Is the 2zz worse than the fa20?

[WolfpackS2k]

To take my S2000 to the track I would change the oil, flush the brake fluid, and swap brake pads. My rolling stock was Dunlop Star Spec Z1s. I never had issues of any kind.

I could be wrong but I think the cracking rotor issue is only with people running slicks and/or considerably more power, under very hot conditions. Mid 80s ambient temp and braking from 125 to 50 lap after lap at CMS got my brakes really hot and my rotors turned bluish, but no cracking.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by regal

Is the 2zz worse than the fa20?

They blow in high-rpm sustained-G turns.

[regal]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

They blow in high-rpm sustained-G turns.

Well if you're going to do that aren't you going to spend a few hundred bucks on a baffled sump/pickup tube or is it more complicated than that? Just so folks know we are on topic the Elise is more Toyota than the GT-86.

[phenoyz]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Several people have said they like the base model because it forces you to work harder to go fast, and given the engine's smaller size it's a bit more rev happy and needs to be kept high in the rpm band.

is this good?
can you do an engine swap?

s and regular cayman have the same weight?

thanks again

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by phenoyz

is this good?
can you do an engine swap?

s and regular cayman have the same weight?

thanks again

Regular is a bit lighter, if I remember right, but I think it's pretty darn close. I doubt anyone in their right mind would do an engine swap from the 3.4 to the 2.7 though. Some people do swap up to a 3.8, but that's a bit different...

[phenoyz]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Regular is a bit lighter, if I remember right, but I think it's pretty darn close. I doubt anyone in their right mind would do an engine swap from the 3.4 to the 2.7 though. Some people do swap up to a 3.8, but that's a bit different...

i mean if you bought a regular cayman and you wanted to swap it
is there any particular engine that you can swap it for?

[chrisl]

As I said, a few people have done the 3.8L swap (from a 911). It's a fantastic motor in a Cayman, but it's kind of expensive. Aside from that, there are probably a few other assorted swaps, but nothing really common.

[phenoyz]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Wheelbase

what do you mean? does the elise spin a lot?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by phenoyz

what do you mean? does the elise spin a lot?

It's short; it promotes rotation whether you want it or not.

In short, it's easy to spin.