Josh's Innovate intercooled 70mm pulleyed 92oct results

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Originally Posted by NickFRS

Kicking myself in the ass for selling the Perrin 3in intake now... Since I need a 3in intake to run E85 and 70mm pulley on non intercooled...... dammit.... LOL.

Just buy another one at the Perrin meet.

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

Just buy another one at the Perrin meet.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by evan

This is not 100% true. Take a world class tuner for example: If he can properly tune a car for peak power and drivability on EcuTek, then there is no technical reason why he can't do the same on brzedit. True, EcuTek has some features (we'll call them value-adds) that brzedit doesn't, but in my experience with software it will only be a matter of time when that will no longer be the case. It's not the tool that nets a great tune.. It's the tuner. It's akin to an IT engineer arguing about whether VBscript, PowerShell or Perl is best. They are equally good scripting languages. They are all powerful in the right hands.

Sorry I missed this earlier.

You're assuming that BRZEdit works as well as ECUTEK, and that clearly, isn't the case here. IF what you say were true, there would be a mass migration over to the BRZEdit camp long since before now.

I'll be honest - I personally have no real love for ECUTek, but until something better comes along, it has been the ONLY credible choice available IMHO. Features aside, it's come an even longer ways given the same time frame as BRZEdit.

My 2 cents.


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[evan]

Originally Posted by Drift-Office

Sorry I missed this earlier.

You're assuming that BRZEdit works as well as ECUTEK, and that clearly, isn't the case here. IF what you say were true, there would be a mass migration over to the BRZEdit camp long since before now.

I'll be honest - I personally have no real love for ECUTek, but until something better comes along, it has been the ONLY credible choice available IMHO. Features aside, it's come an even longer ways given the same time frame as BRZEdit.

My 2 cents.


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Really?

You are assuming that I'm assuming. I've owned/own both tools. I've used both tools from an end-user perspective and I don't see the value of ECUTek over BRZEdit. In fact, I've purchased FOUR tunes from ECUTek authorized "master" tuners (whatever that infers..) and none of them ran right (and spent well into the thousands of dollars in the process). If ECUTek is represented by "master" tuners who are supposed to make you feel better about the quality of their tunes, then certainly the model is flawed. I'm on BRZEdit now and my car runs better now than it ever did on ECUTek. It's tuned by a local BRZEdit "master" tuner..

I remember the first time I flashed a pump/e85 tune using ECUTek and map switching via the cruise stalk. The first time I started it up, the motor banged and popped like crazy (yes, pump was on map 1 and there was gasoline (92) in the tank). I seriously thought it was going to self-detonate. Well that lasted several seconds..
After letting it reach operating temp and driving around, the next thing I notice is the really bad idle hunt, going from 600 rpm up to 1200 rpm over and over again. A local owner noticed it too and asked me what was wrong. When I called the ECUTek authorized "master" tuner, he told me that it was a bug in the ECUTek map switching implementation and that I should live with it. I have so many of these stories between the data logging back-n-forth nonsense, the terrible customer service, ECUTek's "washing of the hands" from authorized tuners, the stupid map switching feature defaulting to map 1 on every start (talk about a liability for dual fuel folks!!), flex fuel unicorns, etc.. I feel sick, literally sick.

In my industry, if I treated customers the way that most aftermarket automotive does I would have been out of a job LONG ago.

If I knew beforehand that the experiences were going to be like this I would have kept my money in my pocket and left the car stock. That is the truth.

No offense to you Bob, but we clearly have differences of opinion and it isn't going to change.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by evan

No offense to you Bob, but we clearly have differences of opinion and it isn't going to change.

None taken, and I'm not here to change yours, while highlighting mine.

Cheers,


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Ris]

Did you guys get the "Complete" or "Tuner" version of this? and what kind of issues have you had? and do you think intercooled is worth the extra $1000ish plus whatever extra you had to do to get it all installed.

Just trying to figure things out before I spend too much money on the wrong thing

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Originally Posted by Ris

Did you guys get the "Complete" or "Tuner" version of this? and what kind of issues have you had? and do you think intercooled is worth the extra $1000ish plus whatever extra you had to do to get it all installed.

Just trying to figure things out before I spend too much money on the wrong thing

If I was paying full price I would get the AVO turbo kit. Since I got the innovate used, or if you can get one used for cheap, I'd say go with it. It has a poorly designed manifold, intercooler, MAP placement, and no post blower temp sensor. I'm happy with it however, but like I said, I wouldn't pay retail for it. Intercooler isn't really necessary if you only drive it on the street. If you ever want to push it I'd get the intercooler to stay safe, but the intercooler restricts the air so a smaller pulley is needed to maintain power, 2nd but, you don't know how hot it's getting post blower with or without the intercooler, so who knows! If someone can solve the post blower temp being non-existent and the intercooler restriction, then I'd say go for it. I'm sure someone will come up with better thought out parts. Out of all the 'kits' I've seen, the Kraftwerks is the best supercharger kit, and the Avo is the best turbo. Some homemade kits will be better, specifically one that uses a Borg Warner turbo, but they cost more, have less research typically, and harder to support. The biggest thing is having a tuner that can tune the car to the best of the cars ability. Find someone willing to put in lots of time fine tuning your car to run it's best and you'll be happy regardless of which kit you go with or even if you stay all natural.