2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

[ddeflyer]

Originally Posted by acx23

Interesting how the rear came out at that spot. Did you lift completely? Good thing you didn't do that for T8, you'd gone home in a tow truck.

On other note, I can barely hit 100 before T8. Must be nice with all that power

I think (but am not sure) the real danger on turn 8 is going to be pushing out while holding steering lock into the track. Alot of bad things can happen then. He did the right thing and went straight off.

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by acx23

Interesting how the rear came out at that spot. Did you lift completely? Good thing you didn't do that for T8, you'd gone home in a tow truck.

On other note, I can barely hit 100 before T8. Must be nice with all that power

Hm, judging by the datalog and the video, I didn't completely lift off. It was low throttle input that I normally do for maintaining speed through a corner... or maybe just a bit under.

[PMok]

LOL anytime you go off, you should pit afterwards not continue on track for another lap.
A) to check on condition of your car, and B) to get yelled at by the safety marshalls & or organizers.



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[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by PMok

LOL anytime you go off, you should pit afterwards not continue on track for another lap.
A) to check on condition of your car, and B) to get yelled at by the safety marshalls & or organizers.



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Oops haha.. No strange noises and didn't see black flag, so I didn't go in. :p Will keep that in mind tho.

[BRZChix]

Originally Posted by PMok

LOL anytime you go off, you should pit afterwards not continue on track for another lap.
A) to check on condition of your car, and B) to get yelled at by the safety marshalls & or organizers.



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will keep that in mind next time... to avoid the excessive black flag waving from all the flag'ers on track

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by PMok

LOL anytime you go off, you should pit afterwards not continue on track for another lap.
A) to check on condition of your car, and B) to get yelled at by the safety marshalls & or organizers.

+1

Originally Posted by mkivsoopra

Oops haha.. No strange noises and didn't see black flag, so I didn't go in. :p Will keep that in mind tho.

Before anyone is signed off for solo driving, they need to know what all of the flags mean, where each and every flag station is, and actually look at the the flag station automatically without having to be prompted by the coach. There are rules that need to be followed for your saftey as well as the safety of OTHERS. Such as,
1) DO NOT get out of the car if you get stuck or stranded unless the car is on FIRE.
2) DO NOT keep on driving after you go 4 off.

These are very BASIC and SIMPLE things to know/do, yet people screw it up all of the time because they are too busy trying to drive fast and moving up to faster run groups before they are ready.

I see more cars getting balled up, more people running in wrong experience groups, and more mistakes that are going to get cars destroyed and people HURT each year. The popularity of the sport is increasing, and the organizations that run these events are having a very hard time keeping things moving while keeping things safe. They are keeping registration streamlined at the expense of safety, unfortunately. ALL of the major groups out there are guilty of doing this. It's all going to come to a head in the next year or 2. Mark my words.

The wet blanket will get off the soap box now...

Originally Posted by BRZChix

u missed the black flag first time around (turn 11) n this guy at the end of turn 1 (almost end of video) is waving that black flag like there is no tomorrow

^^This person should be allowed to move on to solo driving. Not in the drivers set, not even in THE CAR, watching a video that has nothing to do with flags, but knows enough to be able to spot it AND call out the mistake.

[ddeflyer]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

+1



Before anyone is signed off for solo driving, they need to know what all of the flags mean, where each and every flag station is, and actually look at the the flag station automatically without having to be prompted by the coach. There are rules that need to be followed for your saftey as well as the safety of OTHERS. Such as,
1) DO NOT get out of the car if you get stuck or stranded unless the car is on FIRE.
2) DO NOT keep on driving after you go 4 off.

These are very BASIC and SIMPLE things to know/do, yet people screw it up all of the time because they are too busy trying to drive fast and moving up to faster run groups before they are ready.

I see more cars getting balled up, more people running in wrong experience groups, and more mistakes that are going to get cars destroyed and people HURT each year. The popularity of the sport is increasing, and the organizations that run these events are having a very hard time keeping things moving while keeping things safe. They are keeping registration streamlined at the expense of safety, unfortunately. ALL of the major groups out there are guilty of doing this. It's all going to come to a head in the next year or 2. Mark my words.

The wet blanket will get off the soap box now...


^^This person should be allowed to move on to solo driving. Not in the drivers set, not even in THE CAR, watching a video that has nothing to do with flags, but knows enough to be able to spot it AND call out the mistake.

You are completely right about him needing to go in, but at the same time I think it might have been the passing flag for the C.F. of the two cars ahead of him (I think I see a stripe in the flag though it is hard to tell from the video, not to mention NCRC is pretty aggressive with the passing flag. Also, that Nissan's behavior at turn 11, wtf for that run group). I'm not defending his staying out, but I've seen cars not get flagged at 11 after going off (just takes some time to get the info out and such I'm sure).
Since we are talking safety here, it should also be noted that he probably should have waited a little bit before getting back on since two cars pass him as he comes back on track.

Also, I really hope your prediction is wrong.

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

+1



Before anyone is signed off for solo driving, they need to know what all of the flags mean, where each and every flag station is, and actually look at the the flag station automatically without having to be prompted by the coach. There are rules that need to be followed for your saftey as well as the safety of OTHERS. Such as,
1) DO NOT get out of the car if you get stuck or stranded unless the car is on FIRE.
2) DO NOT keep on driving after you go 4 off.

These are very BASIC and SIMPLE things to know/do, yet people screw it up all of the time because they are too busy trying to drive fast and moving up to faster run groups before they are ready.

Ahh.. thanks @orthojoe for the reminders for myself and everyone else. I do take safety seriously and know the flags/stations, and know that I would get black flagged for going off. I remember looking for the black flag but didn't see one until the one by the starting line. It was my first time going off the track and I should have just gone out on my own. I know better now.

Originally Posted by ddeflyer

Since we are talking safety here, it should also be noted that he probably should have waited a little bit before getting back on since two cars pass him as he comes back on track.

That's probably the better option. I was, however, trying to stay off the line and shake off the dirt, while giving the right-side point by in advanced while they were approaching.

[ddeflyer]

Originally Posted by mkivsoopra

Ahh.. thanks @orthojoe for the reminders for myself and everyone else. I do take safety seriously and know the flags/stations, and know that I would get black flagged for going off. I remember looking for the black flag but didn't see one until the one by the starting line. It was my first time going off the track and I should have just gone out on my own. I know better now.



That's probably the better option. I was, however, trying to stay off the line and shake off the dirt, while giving the right-side point by in advanced while they were approaching.

So the big thing to be aware of is you went from a decently dangerous point (ie where you stopped on the dirt) to a hugely dangerous part as you got on track. You weren't on the line, but you were going right into the place where two type of mistakes (tank slapper/spin inwards and dropping a wheel on the outside and then shooting across) could bring a car into where you were very, very quickly. Some of the most stomach clenching moments I've seen was watching cars go off and then jump right back on track into traffic.

[acx23]

The real danger, in my opinion, is not using the full track and run off when taking T8. Some turns you can get away with it and no real danger when you go off. I've gone off t8 before in my stock 944, when the car straight undered after hitting the apex on the left. There's a HUGE dip/ditch parallel to the run off (about a foot or two out). People have broke bumpers, destroyed the area under the engine (ie oil pan), and flipped there.

However you decide on taking T8, rather it'd be flat out or going 7/10th, stick with it. It's not a pretty sight otherwise.

Originally Posted by ddeflyer

I think (but am not sure) the real danger on turn 8 is going to be pushing out while holding steering lock into the track. Alot of bad things can happen then. He did the right thing and went straight off.

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by acx23

The real danger, in my opinion, is not using the full track and run off when taking T8. Some turns you can get away with it and no real danger when you go off. I've gone off t8 before in my stock 944, when the car straight undered after hitting the apex on the left. There's a HUGE dip/ditch parallel to the run off (about a foot or two out). People have broke bumpers, destroyed the area under the engine (ie oil pan), and flipped there.

However you decide on taking T8, rather it'd be flat out or going 7/10th, stick with it. It's not a pretty sight otherwise.

I've heard that the ditch/dip has since been filled to address this safety issue. Not willing to test if this is true, though...

[acx23]

I think it has nothing to do with you lifting. I'm now wondering if it's your traction control... did you not turn traction control off?

Originally Posted by mkivsoopra

Hm, judging by the datalog and the video, I didn't completely lift off. It was low throttle input that I normally do for maintaining speed through a corner... or maybe just a bit under.

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by acx23

I think it has nothing to do with you lifting. I'm now wondering if it's your traction control... did you not turn traction control off?

Hm.. I was using sport mode. Oddly, my friend just mentioned something similar too.

[acx23]

I haven't used sports mode so I can't say, but I have ran some sessions when I forgot to turn traction off. I remember vividly that traction control kicked in when I was coming out of the apex of T6 at Laguna Seca. The car basically braked for a split second - nothing happened to me but it did kill my speed and momentum going up that hill to T7 and the corkscrew. T14-T15 at T Hill also got the traction control kicking in for me when I had it on.

I think it's best that you run without sports mode and without traction control (by holding down 5 secs).

Originally Posted by mkivsoopra

Hm.. I was using sport mode. Oddly, my friend just mentioned something similar too.