Sagging Springs

[2point0]

Have you given Eibach a chance to make it right for you? Are the springs under warranty, etc?

Reach out to them and point out the research you've done, see if it helps before spending more money.

[ericmpena]

Originally Posted by 2point0

Have you given Eibach a chance to make it right for you? Are the springs under warranty, etc?

Reach out to them and point out the research you've done, see if it helps before spending more money.

Eibach has a Million Mile Warranty, but it's so much trouble to actually make a claim. I would need to have my Sportlines swapped with my stock springs again, then have the car realigned ($300ish). Then I would have to ship my Sportlines back to Eibach ($15) and wait for who knows how long for them to investigate the issue. IF they determine that my claim is valid then I assume I will get a new set of Sportlines shipped to me for free, but I will still need to pay to swap out my stock springs for the Sportlines and do another alignment ($300ish).

So basically, just to make the warranty claim I will end up spending $600+ out of pocket.
Don't forget that there's always that possibility that Eibach may not honor my claim. That would leave me stuck with having spent close to $1,000 just to be back at square 1 with my factory springs installed. ($233 Sportlines purchased first time, $430 first install (higher price due to installation of rear LCA's), $300 removal and factory installed for warranty claim)

The cheapest thing would be to see if it's possible to just purchase 2 rear Sportline springs. Hopefully I can get them for less than $125 for the pair. Then I can pay only $120 to have them both installed. I'm sure I'll need another alignment for $60, so that puts me at $305. It hurts, but it won't hurt nearly as much as trying to get a warranty claim through Eibach.

Of course I'm assuming that a new set of rear springs will resolve my issue. If not then I guess I'm stuck with a saggy butt until I can save a little more for coil overs.

Worst case scenario....I purchase a new set of Sportlines for $233. Install only the rear springs for $125+$60 alignment ($185)...That puts me at $418. Then I can just sell the NEW front springs with my OLD rear springs for like $125-150. That would actually save me some money in the long run, but I'd feel weird selling Sportlines with a saggy butt. I'd definitely mention it to the buyer and see if it's as big of a problem for them as it is for me. Honestly, it's hard to tell unless you stare at it...but I'm very anal about looking perfect and I don't settle for anything less.

[2point0]

First, save money and install yourself or find a friend who can help and pay in $beer.

If you need to get another set, I highly recommend RCE Yellows if you're on stock dampers. I purchased used and while it seems like they've settled a little more since I got them, it is very even front/back.

Then, swap to new springs and still put in a claim with Eibach. Worst case, they deny it and you're in the same boat you were before. If they do swap something out, you can then make some money back by selling that set.

Hope it works out for you, no one likes a saggy butt.

Just thought of something...Turn In Concepts makes a "saggy butt spacer" for older Imprezas, I wonder if something like that would help here. It's not ideal, but would even out the car and cost way less overall.

[boredom.is.me]

I believe the RCE springs are also made by Eibach. Many after market springs are Eibach.

A spacer should be the cheapest option, but still the same amount of work to install.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

I believe the RCE springs are also made by Eibach. Many after market springs are Eibach.

A spacer should be the cheapest option, but still the same amount of work to install.

@Racecomp Engineering

Can you confirm this?

[husker741]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

@Racecomp Engineering

Can you confirm this?

Yeah, please confirm. This is the first I've ever heard of that.

[Racecomp Engineering]

One thing I would check is to see if your rear shocks are blown. Shocks usually don't affect ride height BUT even losing that little tiny bit of gas pressure they have may cause the slight sag you are seeing.

Our springs are made by Eibach to our specs. Mild drop, nice bump in spring rate...very different from their Pro-kit and especially Sportline springs.

We DON'T sell Sportline springs because they are TOO LOW. Just too much drop and IMO it doesn't work for this car because there isn't enough travel.

We've got a ton of our RCE Yellow springs out there (made by Eibach) and we have not seen any sagging. They've been making our springs for 8 years for WRX, STI, and EVO and it simply hasn't been an issue. BUT with our springs we use a mild drop which keeps the shocks happy and there is a lot less to ask of the spring and shock that way. Drop the car a lot and it's a huge increase in stress on your car.

Eibach is pretty good about their warranty...you may be able to get them to send you a set of PRo-kits to replace your Sportlines. But you should check to see if your shocks have bitten the dust.

- Andy

[ericmpena]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

One thing I would check is to see if your rear shocks are blown. Shocks usually don't affect ride height BUT even losing that little tiny bit of gas pressure they have may cause the slight sag you are seeing.

Our springs are made by Eibach to our specs. Mild drop, nice bump in spring rate...very different from their Pro-kit and especially Sportline springs.

We DON'T sell Sportline springs because they are TOO LOW. Just too much drop and IMO it doesn't work for this car because there isn't enough travel.

We've got a ton of our RCE Yellow springs out there (made by Eibach) and we have not seen any sagging. They've been making our springs for 8 years for WRX, STI, and EVO and it simply hasn't been an issue. BUT with our springs we use a mild drop which keeps the shocks happy and there is a lot less to ask of the spring and shock that way. Drop the car a lot and it's a huge increase in stress on your car.

Eibach is pretty good about their warranty...you may be able to get them to send you a set of PRo-kits to replace your Sportlines. But you should check to see if your shocks have bitten the dust.

- Andy

Thanks for all of the advice. I've cleaned out my trunk and removed my spare tire in the meantime. It made a slight difference but it all still just looks too low for my liking. I can only fit my index finger up to my 2nd knuckle between the tire and fender. I remember checking the height with my fingers after a month of installation and the space was about 2 fingers...so it's dropped quite a bit, even though they are advertised to be set out of the box without settling more.

I'll have to check my shocks I guess because if they are blown then just replacing my springs with a Pro-Kit or RCE Yellow won't fix the issue. I'm gonna have to shop around for new shocks first, correct?

Seems like I have some more researching to do about my next purchase.

Thanks again for your professional input.

[ericmpena]

Well, after some reading I will be going with a Pro-Kit over RCE Yellows. First off, 12 pages of "popping" noise wasn't good to read about with the RCE Yellows. I understand that wasn't really RCE's fault, but that thread sort of just died and in the end the bad experiences that were posted far outweighed the good experiences. Wish some people could get on there and post something good!

Also, Eibach's Pro-Kit seems to keep a lot of the factory feel with the spring rates and such....plus you get a little more drop. While RCE's 0.8" drop isn't bad, coming from Sportlines I feel like 0.8" is going to look too high for me. I like Eibach's square setup with 1" drop all around.

More drop, factory feel, and a lot of positive posts....that's what made my decision.

[Mikepage]

You can also go with Mach V springs, they feel very comfortable for a DD and they will not sag... The car feel more neutral, and you are not too low for the winter.

Perfect wheels gap!

You can check my review into the appropriate section.

[ericmpena]

Originally Posted by Mikepage

You can also go with Mach V springs, they feel very comfortable for a DD and they will not sag... The car feel more neutral, and you are not too low for the winter.

Perfect wheels gap!

You can check my review into the appropriate section.

Thanks. I hadn't don't any research on Mach V springs. How do they compare to a Pro-Kit? I read that you need to trim the factory bump stops for installation?
The drop on the Mach V looks nice, but some pics look a little too low...almost like Sportlines.

[Mikepage]

0.8inch on front and 1inch on rear... I don't think it is too low

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34238

You just need to trim the bump stop like into the Hotchkis how to... Very easy and you don't necessary need to replace it.

http://www.techautohow.org/2013/06/0...rs-subaru-brz/

[ScionFR-S]

Pro-kit > everything ... They really care about the consumer since they give you dust boots new bump stops etc ... Shows you they are really trying to outdo the competition
Ride feels so much better than stock, when you go over a bump you don't read that loud bang anymore... This is how the car should have came from the factory

[Mikepage]

Not NVH for Mach V

And I can told you, no noise from the suspension after a year...track, dirt, road tested!