2013 Scion FR-S: A New Hope? - Ignition Episode 14

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Rampage

"A message to the tuners of America out there; Don't screw this thing up.....Please!"

Originally Posted by Cheddar

This is a big +1 right here

Originally Posted by koyv90

Also i like his warning to tuners on how any change could seriously mess with the chassis balance.

Be sure to pick your tuner companies wisely; not just the parts, but the companies. Go for a company that has an active racing program. You want one that has spent time exploring what makes this car tick BEFORE tossing parts out to market.

Springs/Coilovers will be a good indicator. The stock BRZ has nearly identical spring rates F and R. Did your tuner company discover that and choose spring rates appropriately? Or did they toss the usual stiff fronts and soft rears onto the market to get your money quicker? They should tout how the springs will improve handling, not just how much they will drop the car.

Remember, big names don't always mean the best parts. Especially at the entry-level.

[Fussy08X]

great review. enjoyed watching it. lol at the part where he's trying to find things to fault abt it.

Also +1 on not screwing up the balance. no doubt i will want to mod this thing eventually like change the wheels, change the suspension to lower the car as i please for aesthetics, add in intake and exhaust mods to give it a better soundtrack, etc. but at the same time im terribly worried about upsetting its balance becuz in terms of driving feel it seems perfect from factory

[mines13]

Excellent review. Randy Pobst was the perfect choice for the track portion.

[WingsofWar]

great review

I approve 100%

[Bristecom]

That was the best review yet! And... I like the fake Carbon Fiber/"T" style dash.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by ZetaVI

On this episode of Ignition, Carlos Lago finds out if the 2013 Scion FR-S blazes a new trail for affordable, real-wheel drive enthusiast cars. Pro racer Randy Pobst also gets in on the action, pushing the FR-S to its performance limits with hot laps around Streets of Willow racetrack.

91.15 lap time 1:31.15

and he was f-cking around... faster than an evo x pretty good....

BMW M5 1:30.40
Porsche 911 Turbo 1:30.69
Ford Mustang V6 1:30.90
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X SE 1:31.40
Ford GT 1:31.57


http://www.fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4d90aa2aa585d.html

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

91.15 lap time 1:31.15

and he was f-cking around... faster than an evo x pretty good....

BMW M5 1:30.40
Porsche 911 Turbo 1:30.69
Ford Mustang V6 1:30.90
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X SE 1:31.40
Ford GT 1:31.57


http://www.fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4d90aa2aa585d.html

Wow~ good info.

But I think lightweight is a big part of this. No weight to push around the chassis equal to less time lost.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

91.15 lap time 1:31.15

and he was f-cking around... faster than an evo x pretty good....

BMW M5 1:30.40
Porsche 911 Turbo 1:30.69
Ford Mustang V6 1:30.90
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X SE 1:31.40
Ford GT 1:31.57

Are these times really comparable? We don't know who the other drivers were and Randy is obviously super-fast.

I'd love this comparision to be accurate, but this just doesn't pass the smell test. Does anyone really think a V6 Mustang is going to be only .2 sec slower than a Porsche turbo? Or that an FR-S is going to BEAT a Ford GT??????? Riiiight....

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Are these times really comparable? We don't know who the other drivers were and Randy is obviously super-fast.

I'd love this comparision to be accurate, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

take a look at the full lap time records recorded it seems right....


http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/wi...of_willow.html

EDIT
also take a look at this comparison



mustang got the best time in its class and is only 17 seconds slower than a 911 turbo s, but at the same time it bounce off its 114 mph rev limiter for 15 seconds down the long straight which really cut its time

and plus it was a tubro s with 530 hp, the Porsche at willow springs was a base 2006 base 911 turbo with 480 hp,

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

take a look at the full lap time records recorded it seems right....

Shelby 500 was 8 seconds slower on the full lap than a 911 Turbo S, so a minimum of 4 seconds slower on a 1/2-sized lap which has less long straights where the Mustang could out-pull the Porsche - and yet the V6 is within .5 sec of the regular Turbo on the shorter course. I don't think that adds up.

FR-S beating the Ford GT is just effing nuts.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

Shelby 500 was 8 seconds slower on the full lap than a 911 Turbo S, so a minimum of 4 seconds slower on a 1/2 lap which has less long straights where the Mustang could out-pull the Porsche - and yet the V6 is within .5 sec of the regular Turbo on the shorter course. I don't think that adds up.

FR-S beating the Ford GT is just effing nuts.

ohh yeah and dont get confused with willow springs and streets of willow

willow springs
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html

streets of willow

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/wi...of_willow.html

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

ohh yeah and dont get confused with willow springs and streets of willow

?? I was only talking about the Streets of Willow times that were posted, then I made comparisons to the other track data you drew on. Again, we have NO IDEA who laid down most of these times, the links don't tell us, except that Randy laid down 3 of the top 4, indicating these records may have as much to do with the driver as the car. And we don't know the track conditions, tires used, etc. Apples to oranges.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Ikaros

Oh man I can't believe I couldn't figure that out lol.

The T is a throw back to the old school T symbol the use to use. Look at the frs Daddy the 2000gt and you will see the T on the front end. Similar but not 100% the same.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

?? I was only talking about the Streets of Willow times that were posted, then I made comparisons to the other track data you drew on. Again, we have NO IDEA who laid down most of these times, the links don't tell us, except that Randy laid down 3 of the top 4, indicating these records may have as much to do with the driver as the car. And we don't know the track conditions, tires used, etc. Apples to oranges.

i was just stating that it was streets of willow so anyone else reading wouldnt research the wrong track, willow springs has 7-8 different track layouts...

also all the cars set lap times in dry conditions....