BBK recommendation for Forced Induction

[wparsons]

My car on stock brakes with Dunlop ZII's couldn't engage ABS anymore when the tires were warm and I could overheat the pads badly in a hurry, switching to better fluid (ATE Super Blue) and pads (Ferodo DS2500) and haven't overheated the pads since, and can easily engage ABS.

[CSG Mike]

It all depends on your individual needs.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

It all depends on your individual needs.

100% agreed! I know that if I were to hand my car over to Mike he'd overheat the pads no problem

Just another addition to what I said above, if you compare 100% stock brakes to a typical BBK on sticky tires you will see a decrease in stopping distance, BUT that's because the BBK comes with better pads. If you were to simply put better pads in the stock calipers you'd see the same results.

A BBK with thicker rotors will help dissipate heat so the brakes don't hold as much heat, but that only helps prevent fade, not reduce stopping distance.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by JRitt

Sprint Kit fits without spacer
Name size offset
Enkei RPF1 17x8 45
Enkei RPF1 (very tight fit, but works) 17x9 35
Enkei Fujin 17x7.5 40
Kosei K4R 17x8 36
Mach V Motorsports "Awesome" wheel 17x9 42
Rays CE28N 18x7.5 47
Sparco (designed by OZ) Assetto Gara 17x7.5 48
Subaru OEM STI Wheels (2004) 17x7.5 53
Team Dynamic 1.2 17x7 38
Volk Racing TE37RT 17x9.5 +40
Wedsport TC105n 17x9 35
Work Ultimates 18x8.5 47


Endurance Kit fits without spacer
Name size offset
BBS CH-R 18x8 38
Enkei Fujin 17x7.5 40
Enkei RPF1 17x8 45
Mach V Awesome 17x9
Rays CE28N 18x7.5 47

We offer wheel fitment templates for each kit if a customer wants to check clearance:
Sprint Kit wheel fitment template

Endurance Kit wheel fitment template

You can add the 17x8 +42 TC105N - I measured using your Sprint kit template when I was fitting the AP Formula kit.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

You can add the 17x8 +42 TC105N - I measured using your Sprint kit template when I was fitting the AP Formula kit.

Hmmm that's supposed to be on the list... we test fit that wheel!

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Hmmm that's supposed to be on the list... we test fit that wheel!

My favorite BBK is your face - so ugly it could tear the asphalt apart!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by wparsons

100% agreed! I know that if I were to hand my car over to Mike he'd overheat the pads no problem

Just another addition to what I said above, if you compare 100% stock brakes to a typical BBK on sticky tires you will see a decrease in stopping distance, BUT that's because the BBK comes with better pads. If you were to simply put better pads in the stock calipers you'd see the same results.

A BBK with thicker rotors will help dissipate heat so the brakes don't hold as much heat, but that only helps prevent fade, not reduce stopping distance.

To add to this, if you're not on the verge of hitting ABS, then you can brake harder than you currently are. The primary purpose of higher temperature pads and/or a big brake kit is to allow you to sustain this level of braking for longer periods without brake performance degradation.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by JRitt

Yes, both the Sprint and Endurance Kits fit tons of wheels. Below is a list of some of the ones we've confirmed, but there are many others out there:

Sprint Kit fits without spacer
Name size offset
Enkei RPF1 17x8 45
Enkei RPF1 (very tight fit, but works) 17x9 35
Enkei Fujin 17x7.5 40
Kosei K4R 17x8 36
Mach V Motorsports "Awesome" wheel 17x9 42
Rays CE28N 18x7.5 47
Sparco (designed by OZ) Assetto Gara 17x7.5 48
Subaru OEM STI Wheels (2004) 17x7.5 53
Team Dynamic 1.2 17x7 38
Volk Racing TE37RT 17x9.5 +40
Wedsport TC105n 17x9 35
Work Ultimates 18x8.5 47

I have your Sprint kit. You can add OZ Ultraleggeras to your list (no spacers needed).

- I run the RPF1 17x8 +45 on the track, without issues.
- I run the OZ Ultraleggera 17x8 +48 on the street, without issues (lots of clearance).

[enwave]

Originally Posted by HRTROB

I have overshot the backstraight at the track twice already, so I guess i was kind of traumatized with that. This was with stock pads though. Luckily the runoff was big enough and there was no damage.

Done that too many times in other cars. It is something that's good to learn and take care of early to help minimize the "oh shit" moments

Thanks for the info in this thread everyone. Helps for other people besides OP I'm sure.


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[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tye300

The SC adds at least 20-30kph to the top speed of the car. I now reach 200kph on the straight at CIS. Slowing the car down takes much more than NA. I needed to adjust my braking points to compensate. I brake a lot earlier now. Hopefully adding a bbk would bring me back to my previous braking points.

Originally Posted by wparsons

A BBK won't shorter stopping distances in most cases, so unless you've adjusted your braking points to try to keep the pads cooler it won't have much effect there. Unless your current brakes can't engage ABS, adding more stopping power won't shorten braking distances.

Braking earlier (and longer) also adds more heat to the brakes than braking later does in some cases (depends how hard you're on the brakes in both cases).

Originally Posted by Tye300

Thanks @wparsons! Good to hear that. Now I'm really confused! Haha!

Confused why? You're going a LOT faster, so obviously you must get on the brakes much sooner in order to decelerate to your corner entry speed, which hasn't changed!

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Confused why? You're going a LOT faster, so obviously you must get on the brakes much sooner in order to decelerate to your corner entry speed, which hasn't changed!

I'm confused because some people recommend getting a bbk, and some are against it and say just get better pads and fluid. Hope that clears things up.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Tye300

I'm confused because some people recommend getting a bbk, and some are against it and say just get better pads and fluid. Hope that clears things up.

Depends on an individuals needs. Some drivers are extremely efficient with their brake usage and can get by just fine with OEM gear with upgraded pads/fluid. Some drivers run 10-15 minute sessions and can use the OEM gear with upgraded pads/fluid. Some drivers do 60 minute sessions and delaminate the OEM rotors after 45 minutes.. oops!

There are other BBK benefits (weight savings, consumables [wear rate and cost in some areas], feel/modulation, etc) also that aren't directly related to their primary purpose (additional thermal capacity and increased/more efficient heat removal - although consumables wear rate is affected by that also).

As an example of what these brakes can do, I faded the hell out of XP10s, ATE Super blue (both glazed the pads and boiled fluid) at sebring with the OEM gear. With the AP sprint kit (and AP 600 fluid/CL RC6E pads) I tried to destroy them braking at the absolute last possible spot for a 30 minute session and only cracked a rotor. And that was because I didn't let it cool down, I parked it with smoking rotors and jumped in the race car and went back out. If I let them cool down they would have been fine.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Tye300

I'm confused because some people recommend getting a bbk, and some are against it and say just get better pads and fluid. Hope that clears things up.

If you track the car at all, you and your FI car will be happy with a good BBK like the AP kit.

If it's strictly a street car, you'd be okay with just a pad upgrade.

- Andy

[Tye300]

Thanks for helping out guys!