EcuTek Announce FT86 Retail Tuning Software

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

Even though people like him paid an extra $300?

Honestly for what you get over the other options I'd have paid $1000 without complaint, map compare or not lol

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Honestly for what you get over the other options I'd have paid $1000 without complaint, map compare or not lol

My point was more that it is a simple option they could have included since you paid for the full monty.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

My point was more that it is a simple option they could have included since you paid for the full monty.

I think everything should be put in context and perspective.

This is IMHO and I may be completely wrong, but look at it from their perspective.

There has to be some features left for Pro tuners.. if not what is the advantage of becoming one? I am all for us having any and all tools available but can understand there are some things that just are...

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think everything should be put in context and perspective.

This is IMHO and I may be completely wrong, but look at it from their perspective.

There has to be some features left for Pro tuners.. if not what is the advantage of becoming one? I am all for us having any and all tools available but can understand there are some things that just are...

I get what you are saying completely and I have just been looking at this as an outsider since I have a different tuning solution. As far as the Pro Tuner advantages though, commercial use of the software, that is the advantage of that.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think everything should be put in context and perspective.

This is IMHO and I may be completely wrong, but look at it from their perspective.

There has to be some features left for Pro tuners.. if not what is the advantage of becoming one? I am all for us having any and all tools available but can understand there are some things that just are...

My perspective is you should have the same and/or better access then your competitors. BRZEdit has logging with tables (I do not know on Rom Comparing I guess I should try that) and RomRaider has a Compare feature.
There is also the issue of tables I have not been able to find in my EcuTek version without the 300 Upgrade vs OFT files.

Meet and beat your competition and you have a product that sells itself. I like my EcuTek software but at this point it wouldn't be hard to sway me with the other competitors jumping in and meeting requests like these.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Luckrider

I get what you are saying completely and I have just been looking at this as an outsider since I have a different tuning solution. As far as the Pro Tuner advantages though, commercial use of the software, that is the advantage of that.

Definitely and there are other advantages like having a clean, direct line to Ecutek (which regular users don't necessarily have, which is not that bad of a thing, Ecutek would go crazy if they would be attending calls like "my car won't start after flashing it for the first time with my first map created help...). I would love to see it too and if it comes I would be extremely happy, just understand why some key features are kept on the other side of the fence.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Cross

My perspective is you should have the same and/or better access then your competitors. BRZEdit has logging with tables (I do not know on Rom Comparing I guess I should try that) and RomRaider has a Compare feature.
There is also the issue of tables I have not been able to find in my EcuTek version without the 300 Upgrade vs OFT files.

Meet and beat your competition and you have a product that sells itself. I like my EcuTek software but at this point it wouldn't be hard to sway me with the other competitors jumping in and meeting requests like these.

Agreed!! That is why Ecutek's Custom Maps are the shit and trump all

[jamesm]

Ecutek's base version is free to existing customers. Throw in the ability to actually safely boost your car, flex fuel, and everything else you can get for the extra $300 with custom maps and the idea that somehow that could be viewed as anything but an insane value is mind-boggling to me.

People pay thousands of dollars for these capabilities on other platforms. The alternatives basically offer open source capabilities (i.e. free stuff) with a different interface.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Ecutek's base version is free to existing customers. Throw in the ability to actually safely boost your car, flex fuel, and everything else you can get for the extra $300 with custom maps and the idea that somehow that could be viewed as anything but an insane value is mind-boggling to me.

People pay thousands of dollars for these capabilities on other platforms. The alternatives basically offer open source capabilities (i.e. free stuff) with a different interface.

I would have to disagree about the other platforms comment and Reference HP Tuners as a great example of having all the features brought up and the ability to add in Flex Fuel etc for less than the cost of Racerom. (Not to mention tuning across 3 different automotive brands)

They have some great abilities but regardless of how the competitors get to the end result if tables are missing, features left out that come from those using open source then why wouldn't that be a point to raise?
These are the tables I was not able to find in EcuTek but are found under Rom Raider:
Feedback Correction Range (RPM)
Fine Correction Column (Load)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width A (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width B (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width C (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width D (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width E (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width F (ECT)

Now I am having to look for those one by one because things are different but after some time those are ones I have not found. Who knows how many more there are, these are just ones I specifically went looking for in regards to changes I wanted to make.

I am not trying to turn this into whats better I am just not accepting of this being the end all solution. I feel the features missing to me are a sticking point. Others may not, others may find value in the RaceRom features found for the extra 300, I might at some point as well.
But as of now my experience with all but BRZEdit has left me feeling like each one could turn the tables with just a few minor changes. The question becomes who will do it.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Cross

I would have to disagree about the other platforms comment and Reference HP Tuners as a great example of having all the features brought up and the ability to add in Flex Fuel etc for less than the cost of Racerom. (Not to mention tuning across 3 different automotive brands)

They have some great abilities but regardless of how the competitors get to the end result if tables are missing, features left out that come from those using open source then why wouldn't that be a point to raise?
These are the tables I was not able to find in EcuTek but are found under Rom Raider:
Feedback Correction Range (RPM)
Fine Correction Column (Load)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width A (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width B (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width C (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width D (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width E (ECT)
Cranking Fuel Injector Pulse Width F (ECT)

Now I am having to look for those one by one because things are different but after some time those are ones I have not found. Who knows how many more there are, these are just ones I specifically went looking for in regards to changes I wanted to make.

I am not trying to turn this into whats better I am just not accepting of this being the end all solution. I feel the features missing to me are a sticking point. Others may not, others may find value in the RaceRom features found for the extra 300, I might at some point as well.
But as of now my experience with all but BRZEdit has left me feeling like each one could turn the tables with just a few minor changes. The question becomes who will do it.

HPTuners isn't even available for us, and you don't need six cranking ipw tables because you just make one custom map to replace all of them. That's the whole point. You don't need to define a million tables when users can create any table they want or need.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by jamesm

HPTuners isn't even available for us, and you don't need six cranking ipw tables because you just make one custom map to replace all of them. That's the whole point. You don't need to define a million tables when users can create any table they want or need.

I do agree its redundant but I don't have access to any of them which on E85 is a little annoying. (In terms of Cranking)

I personally have not played with making custom tables, I am will start looking at it but I am not sure if that's a Pro or RaceRom version and right now I started with the Pro version. I didn't want to buy the Racerom until I knew it was exactly what I was looking for.

As for HP Tuners the point was Features for the Price vs Costs on Other Platforms, to which I pointed out was not the case with HP Tuners Pro:

Originally Posted by jamesm

Ecutek's base version is free to existing customers. Throw in the ability to actually safely boost your car, flex fuel, and everything else you can get for the extra $300 with custom maps and the idea that somehow that could be viewed as anything but an insane value is mind-boggling to me.

People pay thousands of dollars for these capabilities on other platforms.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Cross

I do agree its redundant but I don't have access to any of them which on E85 is a little annoying. (In terms of Cranking)

I personally have not played with making custom tables, I am will start looking at it but I am not sure if that's a Pro or RaceRom version and right now I started with the Pro version. I didn't want to buy the Racerom until I knew it was exactly what I was looking for.

As for HP Tuners the point was Features for the Price vs Costs on Other Platforms, to which I pointed out was not the case with HP Tuners Pro:

Ok... Most other platforms lol.

For your e85 issue just use the cranking enrichment table... It's just a multiplier of cranking ipw.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by jamesm

Ok... Most other platforms lol.

For your e85 issue just use the cranking enrichment table... It's just a multiplier of cranking ipw.

Thanks I will give that a try, I want to look into the custom tables method you mentioned too. Obviously it holds a lot of advancement so I should start getting familiar with it.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Cross

Thanks I will give that a try, I want to look into the custom tables method you mentioned too. Obviously it holds a lot of advancement so I should start getting familiar with it.

custom maps are only available with the racerom package. the basic version is pretty much equivalent to brzedit or romraider w/ oft/ecuflash