FT-86 SpeedFactory Catted UEL Header

[shaunsweeney]

I don't expect this thing to be cheap like a crap honda civic header. What I want is the highest quality possible that can withstand a SC. If I have to pay extra for a header with a metallic core, I will. Perhaps this can be an option?

Not trying to junk up the thread, but I feel like this is important info for folks to consider. Let's iron out all of the features people are looking for before this gets released. I will be patient. I promise!

[86-tundra]

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

This is full of wrong.

So you get the OFT and OFH for the same price, and that makes it the case there is "no purpose" in buying this? Your reasoning is ridiculous.

As for your expert opinion on prices, you are WAY off on all accounts.

As others have stated, with the claimed warranty and gains as posted, $8-9XX is what I would expect. I can see a lot more people jumping on the boat though if it is in the 8XX range if that is possible.

Will there be an option to add a second o2 bung for a wideband? If so what would be the added cost?

My reasoning is valid.. I can get the same results for the same price, with a bit more out of the OFH.

I never offered an expert opinion on prices. I offered an economic view point. FT 86 speed factory would not be in business selling headers for $50 margins, period. Unless they planned to sell a thousand of them, and there is just no way.

No reason to think these companies are giving back to our community by providing low cost parts. I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a company that sells and manufactures parts for 1 company. It's such a limited market. They have to make up for it in margin.

[geeang]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

My reasoning is valid.. I can get the same results for the same price, with a bit more out of the OFH.

I never offered an expert opinion on prices. I offered an economic view point. FT 86 speed factory would not be in business selling headers for $50 margins, period. Unless they planned to sell a thousand of them, and there is just no way.

No reason to think these companies are giving back to our community by providing low cost parts. I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a company that sells and manufactures parts for 1 company. It's such a limited market. They have to make up for it in margin.

I hope you're not forgetting that they're also a retailer stocking hundreds (if not thousands) of other products across a wide range of manufacturers.

Because of this they can afford to offer a range of custom in-house products to suit a limited market (which is far less limited than you think).
A huge market for 86/BRZ/FRS parts was created when this car was released, parts like these introduce competition and innovation.

FT-86 SpeedFactory may be making this product with large or small margins, but there is no way you can validate ANY reasoning when a price has not even been set. Regardless of the price, they are doing a service to the community by introducing a competing product that is highly sought after and is only being offered by one other manufacturer (who has been getting a bad rap as of late).

[mid_life_crisis]

Guys, they're all businesses, not charities. They are in business to make a profit, just like most of us aren't volunteering at our jobs. There is nothing written anywhere that says how much profit they are allowed to make. If the market will bear a ridiculous markup, then they can charge it. If the market won't, then they need to determine if the markup it will handle makes it worth producing/selling a particular product. It's business.
My problem is that I would be willing to bet that sometimes a product might be originally intended to sell at say, $900 but enough people come out saying "I'd happily pay $1000" and gee, what do you know, we all end up paying $1000.
Do you walk up to a car salesman and immediately announce the most you're willing to pay without waiting to hear his offer first?

[MooKz]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

Guys, they're all businesses, not charities. They are in business to make a profit, just like most of us aren't volunteering at our jobs. There is nothing written anywhere that says how much profit they are allowed to make. If the market will bear a ridiculous markup, then they can charge it. If the market won't, then they need to determine if the markup it will handle makes it worth producing/selling a particular product. It's business.
My problem is that I would be willing to bet that sometimes a product might be originally intended to sell at say, $900 but enough people come out saying "I'd happily pay $1000" and gee, what do you know, we all end up paying $1000.
Do you walk up to a car salesman and immediately announce the most you're willing to pay without waiting to hear his offer first?

I agree!

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[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by shaunsweeney

I don't expect this thing to be cheap like a crap honda civic header. What I want is the highest quality possible that can withstand a SC. If I have to pay extra for a header with a metallic core, I will. Perhaps this can be an option?

I agree. It doesn't look like the HFC is easily replaceable, so I'd want to know that the cat can withstand a fair amount of heat (i.e., at least equal to the stock cat). That's going to be a big selling point for people who plan to add a supercharger and/or track their cars.

[Boofneenee]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

My reasoning is valid.. I can get the same results for the same price, with a bit more out of the OFH.

I never offered an expert opinion on prices. I offered an economic view point. FT 86 speed factory would not be in business selling headers for $50 margins, period. Unless they planned to sell a thousand of them, and there is just no way.

No reason to think these companies are giving back to our community by providing low cost parts. I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a company that sells and manufactures parts for 1 company. It's such a limited market. They have to make up for it in margin.

If the price is close to 1k then i would consider the proven products from jEL or PL motorsportd headers. Maybe even Nameless when it comes out.

As far as their being small profit margins made on these products i dont believe it. Companies like this one would not be in business if they just gAve away goods. You can argue that they could make up profits by selling different products but why? They are Already well known to the ft86 community as being a quality provider and offer a unique product with a cat.

Dont get me wrong i am super grateful for this option and considering as one of my header options. I want to keep this as an option and price will be a determining factor. Lets stop saying that "i am willing to pay $1000 for a header like this". Prices are obviously going to be dictated due to costs but lets not artifically inflate the price due to demand.

[s2d4]

Are there any headers that fill the torque dip on its own?
If not then this thing is like in a league of its own, the magical unicorn comes to mind.

[86-tundra]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Are there any headers that fill the torque dip on its own?
If not then this thing is like in a league of its own, the magical unicorn comes to mind.

No, this is the only header AFAIK that fills out the torque dip without a tune.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean it would be better with a tune, either. For those who don't want to tune, this is a great option.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

No, this is the only header AFAIK that fills out the torque dip without a tune.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean it would be better with a tune, either. For those who don't want to tune, this is a great option.

This header increases timing on its own? and does cam phasing as well?

[Team STILLEN]

@FT-86 SpeedFactory: Are you planning on using a Metallic Catalytic Converter in the header?

The runner lengths of the header might be long enough to keep the Cat from hitting too high a temperature. I'd love to run the header with a supercharger and test the temperatures in different driving conditions.

[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

The cat is ceramic, and will deal with the heat just fine. It's rated to flow more air then what our cars push NA or even with a SC. We'll be using it on both our cars SC and NA. Metallic ones which flow even more would raise the cost too much and shouldn't be needed in this application.

An extra O2 bung can be done for Wideband as well.

[shaunsweeney]

Thanks for hitting on that subject. I am guessing you guys have been monitoring EGTs during your testing phase? I would love to see this info on a FI car in higher ambient temps. That will tell us all we need to know about this cats expected lifespan.

Thanks again for being so active and letting the community give you feedback during development.

[shaunsweeney]

$899!!! I'm sold if this includes shipping. When are we doing this!?