Crawford or 2jz it up

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by adprokid

3SGTE

The 3sgte is nice but I'm affraid it's still on the heavy side.

[Yamajee]

Originally Posted by chrisl

If that's the goal though, I'd lean more towards an LS instead...

Now that's killing the car completely. Look up a 2jz FRS and you would have that feeling that the engine is a perfect one for the FRS. An LS engine, if you refer to the LS engines by Chevy, is overkill.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Yamajee

Now that's killing the car completely. Look up a 2jz FRS and you would have that feeling that the engine is a perfect one for the FRS. An LS engine, if you refer to the LS engines by Chevy, is overkill.

That is indeed the LS I was referring to, but to be honest, I kind of think both the LS and the 2JZ go against the spirit of the car. Yes, the LS is much larger displacement than the 2JZ, but the actual dimensions aren't much larger, and the weight is actually quite a bit less (from what I can find, a 2JZ-GTE longblock is 525lb or so, while an LS1 is more like 430). Keep in mind that the LS is really compact for its displacement, since it's a pushrod V8, and it has an aluminum block too, which helps with the weight (unless you go to the LSX), while the 2JZ is an iron block I6, which means its dimensions are large for its displacement.

Honestly, I'm not sure what would be a good engine for this car if I were building one with an engine swap - most of the engines capable of making a lot more power than stock are either a lot heavier than stock or crazy expensive (or both). A 9A1 swap would be pretty cool to see, but it really wouldn't make any financial sense at all (and the same goes for something like a Tipo F131 V8, but to an even greater degree). A Renesis could be awesome too, but it really doesn't make nearly enough power to be worth the effort off doing the swap. The problem is, there really aren't very many small, light, high-performance engines available without spending a lot of money.

[chrisl]

That having been said, some part of me has to love this insanity...


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lv9Hl8mEho"]BRZ swapped with LS2 VERY LOUD BRZ06 ls2 swapped - YouTube[/ame]

[ericmpena]

Just out of curiosity...how much money is everyone talking about here? Is this guy looking to spend in the tens of thousands or over $100k? Everyone just keeps saying "it's so expensive" or "a lot of money" or "this is half the cost" but I don't see numbers anywhere! Lol. So, just so I have an idea of how poor I really am, what ridiculous amount of money are all of you talking about like it's nothing?!?

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by ericmpena

Just out of curiosity...how much money is everyone talking about here? Is this guy looking to spend in the tens of thousands or over $100k? Everyone just keeps saying "it's so expensive" or "a lot of money" or "this is half the cost" but I don't see numbers anywhere! Lol. So, just so I have an idea of how poor I really am, what ridiculous amount of money are all of you talking about like it's nothing?!?

The only way to have a correct number is a quote from a shop, even then, one thing lead to another. Labors and parts are all assumed values.

Engine removal, finish replacement engine on a jack....1800.. Labor. Throw in your engine cost. Say used 2jz is 2500. That is 4300. To modify engine bay, re-routing coolings, intakes, electricals, fabricating engine mounts, transmission mounts....etc. These are all major SURGERY. The labor generally is 150$ an hour. These at least take 40 hours. That is 6,000 at least for labor.

Now parts. Fabrication parts, special welded parts, customized intakes...etc. These are easily another 5k.

New engine = new transmission! clutch...etc. Used transmission for 2jz is, say, 1000. Again, the customization, fabrications, weddings....blah blah. Another 20 hours. That is 3-4k

No drive train parts are modified, yet...

Move on to Dyno tunes, test drive, street tunes...this package usually cost 1000 or so

Everything goes perfectly, assuming, your used engine is not dying, blown up, oil starving...etc

Sum it up just to giggles...18-19k easily, if not much more. New FRS cost 28k out the door. That is 47k wasted....half the GTR.

In case your progress sucks, you bump into bad lucks, it will double to triple the said amounts within couple years. A loose bolt, or engine mount can be a disaster to everything.

Realistically expect 15-40k in modding alone, donor car. Depend on your lucks.

[Dipstik-sportech]

Wow your pricing is WAY off. Used 2j trannies go for at least twice that and a decent 2jzgte is north of $5000.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Wow your pricing is WAY off. Used 2j trannies go for at least twice that and a decent 2jzgte is north of $5000.

Shhhhhh.... Let's not spoil his fantasy with facts..

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Wow your pricing is WAY off. Used 2j trannies go for at least twice that and a decent 2jzgte is north of $5000.

Thank you for that confirmation

And no, I am not a fantasy fan boy. I was just assuming. Beside, I assumed the cheapest imaginable.

If you bother read my previous comments, I advised people not to think about it, let alone do it.

If I was to buy a GTR, that much money go toward it

[Dipstik-sportech]

If you were imagining the cheapest available wouldn't that be free 99? Lol. Kidding aside it sounds like this guy doesn't have an issue with cost because no one in the know would even consider a 2j swap unless they could afford it. Cost vs hp the ls based engines win hands down, lsx with a turbo 400 auto trans and FullBlown's 8.8 diff kit done.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

If you were imagining the cheapest available wouldn't that be free 99? Lol. Kidding aside it sounds like this guy doesn't have an issue with cost because no one in the know would even consider a 2j swap unless they could afford it. Cost vs hp the ls based engines win hands down, lsx with a turbo 400 auto trans and FullBlown's 8.8 diff kit done.

That is what I thought at first, but then he said he wanted a GT-R, and waiting for it. Wait = probably saving up money for it. That made me think he is still aware of Cost* Issues.

On second thought, if the cost was no Issues, there would not be any need to talk in the Forum to ask for advises, and so. I have seen people who has no Cost Issues just do it before asking, and most of the time those are Automotive Shop owners. Millionaires from Lottery or Works are all going for the big Shots (Lambo, Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, Corvette, Viper...Etc)

Based on this, I think we are all being Trolled

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Wow your pricing is WAY off. Used 2j trannies go for at least twice that and a decent 2jzgte is north of $5000.

I think he was intentionally lowballing it. That having been said, a decent 2JZ-GTE is over $5k? That sounds awfully expensive for a 3L I6. I'm not doubting your numbers, but it does make me wonder why it's so popular when you can get a larger, more capable, more powerful crate engine brand new for similar money.

[Dipstik-sportech]

I never really understood it either. I mean you can get a ls based engine for a pack of smokes now a days, but I guess if you want big hp and stay import your options r limited.

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by chrisl

I think he was intentionally lowballing it. That having been said, a decent 2JZ-GTE is over $5k? That sounds awfully expensive for a 3L I6. I'm not doubting your numbers, but it does make me wonder why it's so popular when you can get a larger, more capable, more powerful crate engine brand new for similar money.

the transmission alone is about $6k. Ive been looking into getting one