Litchfield BRZ in EVO's Track Car of the Year 2013 - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

WolfsFang · 11-16-2013, 01:48 AM

Turbo > Supercharger

mwjcyber · 11-16-2013, 01:53 AM

More on Litchfield BRZ.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...ive-2013-10-16

bunny86 · 11-16-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mwjcyber

More on Litchfield BRZ.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...ive-2013-10-16

The Litchfield has about £10k of upgrades, additions and labour on top of the standard car and quite frankly if you just want a 86/BRZ/FRS weekend track car then you could get better performance by spending that £10k on other aftermarket parts.

I was quite surprised that the winner of their test, the Caterham, starts at just under £50k.

lionbacker54 · 11-16-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 636

It's funny how hard people will defend this car, when there is clear evidence that it's not a monster. Just accept the fact that this car isn't a "god" car, and can be slow on the track, for once, please.

agree. it's a good car, with good value, for the driving enthusiast. it's not going to beat cars which cost twice as much though.

Suberman · 11-16-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lionbacker54

agree. it's a good car, with good value, for the driving enthusiast. it's not going to beat cars which cost twice as much though.

It's much, much better than merely good.

This car is so excellent to drive it does indeed beat cars costing twice as much.

Driving faster isn't relevant to enjoyment.

Driving faster isn't a measure of how good a car is.

The ability this car has to make an ordinary driver into a better driver makes the car better than merely good.

You could power up this chassis by a lot without changing anything else.

But in a real and down to earth sense it would spoil this car.

Maybe Lexus will build a more powerful version, a bit bigger and a bit heavier but with the same joy.

subwaynm · 11-16-2013, 11:52 AM

Awesome comparison. For the money I was quite pleased the way the BRZ/FR-S stood up to the other more expensive cars for substantially less Dollars.
Hard to beat that McLaren, but then it was also the most expensive at $300,000. The Special Edition Mini was neat to see.

2013GTRNate · 11-16-2013, 12:16 PM

I'm in love with this platform. Subaru/Toyota did an awesome job. Looking forward to the BRZ/FRS progression.

Cheers,

-Nate

bunny86 · 11-16-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by subwaynm

Hard to beat that McLaren, but then it was also the most expensive at $300,000. The Special Edition Mini was neat to see.

$300,000 ? I think you will find that it's double that.

usdmnotjdm · 11-16-2013, 01:29 PM

Great video man thanks! My favorite was the 7 as well I'm glad to see it won. I would love to own one of those.

jamesm · 11-17-2013, 11:38 AM

i love my fr-s, but it needed more power from the beginning. 10 years ago 200hp in a sporty car would've been great, but things are different these days (in a good way!). ford makes a focus hatch with 230+whp stock for example.

as for the cayman comparison, i have a friend who owned one and it was a spectacular car. sure you could make an 86 outperform a cayman, but you can't make it a flat-6, mid engine porsche. it's playing an entirely different ballgame. that doesn't mean that 86 isn't great, it's just not a cayman.

supra2nv · 11-17-2013, 11:53 AM

Ahhhh looks like i nabbed 2 from
This list

gt86 and mono (ordered)

))).

Great comparison. Lots of awesome cars

Suberman · 11-17-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm

i love my fr-s, but it needed more power from the beginning. 10 years ago 200hp in a sporty car would've been great, but things are different these days (in a good way!). ford makes a focus hatch with 230+whp stock for example.

as for the cayman comparison, i have a friend who owned one and it was a spectacular car. sure you could make an 86 outperform a cayman, but you can't make it a flat-6, mid engine porsche. it's playing an entirely different ballgame. that doesn't mean that 86 isn't great, it's just not a cayman.

Good assessment of the true differences between our sportscar and Porsche's best.

Road & Track did just this comparison in the September "new Corvette" edition and came to the same conclusion, albeit with the Boxster version of the Porsche twins.

rskdsk · 11-17-2013, 08:45 PM

I don't know guy ... this review was disappointing to me as well. The BRZ is modded against stock cars ... and just makes it past the mini ... I like my car, but it makes you think twice about dumping 5-7k on a SC.

kaybee123 · 11-18-2013, 12:03 AM

That mini is probably more expensive than a stock BRZ with a supercharger btw.

Don't know about you but I thought it was awesome!

11-16-2013, 01:48 AM	#29
WolfsFang Scrape Master Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Goal: Oldest FRS State Side Location: North NJ Posts: 1,161 Thanks: 238 Thanked 412 Times in 238 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Turbo > Supercharger __________________ You do realize comparing the BRZ to the FR-S is like comparing which hand you love masterbating too right?

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supra2nv Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 10 Series TRD Location: Southern California Posts: 1,407 Thanks: 2,329 Thanked 1,169 Times in 700 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Ahhhh looks like i nabbed 2 from This list gt86 and mono (ordered) ))). Great comparison. Lots of awesome cars __________________ "Electrons act like photons. They are both screwy, but in exactly the same way." Richard Feynman Wave Particle Duality

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