Jackson Racing Rotrex Supercharger System Info and Discussion

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

We have ecutek kit and we just need base map of supercharger kit, is it available ? Price?

The CARB tune is $500.

If you need a Delicious tune, then pricing will vary with the options you want.

CSG is a dealer for both.

[Toyota86.ir]

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The CARB tune is $500.

If you need a Delicious tune, then pricing will vary with the options you want.

CSG is a dealer for both.

I can not imagine JR base tune be plug and play without map revision?!!!
I think i should send JR base tune log files to Mike (@moto-east) for final adjusting Afr/timing , ...
The Jackson Racing base tune should not be locked for map revision.
Delicious tune is not good , i will shop from moto-east.
We need two sets of supercharger , me & my friend but we are in process to choosing between HKS and JC.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

Do CARB tune mean JC calibrated base map?
I will send JR base tune log files to Mike (@moto-east) for adjusting Afr/timing and final tuning.
The Jackson Racing base tune should not be locked for map revision.
Delicious tune is not good.
We need two sets of supercharger , me & my friend but we are in process to choosing between HKS and JC.

Both tunes are locked, and cannot be edited by Moto East. If you want Moto East to tune your car, then they will need to start with their own calibration.

[Toyota86.ir]

If they lock their map , then It should be 100% calibrated on all customer's brz but i think It's impossible.
I think they should unlock the map because without map revision we can not get 100% performance.

[enivid]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

If they lock their map , then It should be 100% calibrated on all customer's brz but i think It's impossible.
I think they should unlock the map because without map revision we can not get 100% performance.

HRI Tuning is the only etune I know of that doesn't lock his maps.

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

If they lock their map , then It should be 100% calibrated on all customer's brz but i think It's impossible.
I think they should unlock the map because without map revision we can not get 100% performance.

They are not made for 100% performance. No tune is made for 100% peformance for a street car, because 100% performance means running on the 100% ragged edge.

When you tune a race car, e.g. for the 24 hours of LeMans, the simulate the ENTIRE race on an engine dyno, down to the predicted humidity, temperature, and air composition (in a draft, out of a draft), and tune specificly for that.

You cannot get 100% with an e-tune, but you can get a tune that will work under any reasonable condition.

If you want a 100% performance tune, you need to be getting a dyno tune, at your local dyno, while simulating your exact running condition. If you deviate even 1% from that condition, you are no longer at 100%.

[JDMChris]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

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I can not imagine JR base tune be plug and play without map revision?!!!
I think i should send JR base tune log files to Mike (@moto-east) for final adjusting Afr/timing , ...
The Jackson Racing base tune should not be locked for map revision.
Delicious tune is not good , i will shop from moto-east.
We need two sets of supercharger , me & my friend but we are in process to choosing between HKS and JC.

The Jackson Racing Calibration is locked, because that is what is required by CARB in order for the System to be CARB Legal. The calibration is extremely good, and you will not see much more in gains with a custom tune.

Now if you have other modifications, IE. Cat delete, header, cams, etc. Then you would need a full custom tune anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

[Toyota86.ir]

Originally Posted by enivid

HRI Tuning is the only etune I know of that doesn't lock his maps.

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I read Jamesm posts. He is great

[Toyota86.ir]

Originally Posted by JDMChris

The Jackson Racing Calibration is locked, because that is what is required by CARB in order for the System to be CARB Legal. The calibration is extremely good, and you will not see much more in gains with a custom tune.

Now if you have other modifications, IE. Cat delete, header, cams, etc. Then you would need a full custom tune anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

The tune is good , OK , i do not say it is not good, i just say the tune will not have the same result in all customers's brz.

For example base map LTFT is zero in JC factory brz but LTFT will not be zero in my gt86 if i use JC base map.
AFR is another example, in JC factory brz the wot afr is in the commanded range but if i use JC map on my gt86 the afr may be alittle out of range.

I just say all base maps need to revise alittle for each car.

[Toyota86.ir]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You cannot get 100% with an e-tune, but you can get a tune that will work under any reasonable condition.

If you want a 100% performance tune, you need to be getting a dyno tune, at your local dyno, while simulating your exact running condition. If you deviate even 1% from that condition, you are no longer at 100%.

You are right , we can not get 100% in etunes and we need dyno for 100% .
My idea about 100% means getting commanded range in my gt86 need map revision because ecu parameters may vary after flashing JC base map on my gt86 .

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

The tune is good , OK , i do not say it is not good, i just say the tune will not have the same result in all customers's brz.

For example base map LTFT is zero in JC factory brz but LTFT will not be zero in my gt86 if i use JC base map.
AFR is another example, in JC factory brz the wot afr is in the commanded range but if i use JC map on my gt86 the afr may be alittle out of range.

I just say all base maps need to revise alittle for each car.

This particular tune that comes with the JRSC Factory Tuned System is a CARB exempt/emissions legal system that can be bolted directly to a factory BRZ/FRS and pass government regulated emissions requirements. This particular tune is optimized for this specific require, but also has been refined through a variety of environmental and performance conditions. It is the most complete tune for its intended application.

Yes, all BRZ/FRS are slightly different, however, every BRZ/FRS has the same exact tune that comes from the factory. Jackson Racing's kit works in the exact same manner.

If you need assistance with your specific setup, please don't hesitate to contact us via PM or e-mail and we'll be happy to assist you.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

I just say all base maps need to revise alittle for each car.

The Jackson Racing tune is not a base map. It is a complete tune. No revision is necessary when used as prescribed.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Toyota86.ir

You are right , we can not get 100% in etunes and we *PERFECT, never changing WEATHER* for 100% .
My idea about 100% means getting commanded range in my gt86 need map revision because ecu parameters may vary after flashing JC base map on my gt86 .

fixed that for you.

[Toyota86.ir]

Originally Posted by CounterSpace Garage

Yes, all BRZ/FRS are slightly different, however, every BRZ/FRS has the same exact tune that comes from the factory. Jackson Racing's kit works in the exact same manner.

If you need assistance with your specific setup, please don't hesitate to contact us via PM or e-mail and we'll be happy to assist you.

Very very good news if JC tune be like factory map because factory map is fix for all cars.
This is hard to believe to me because i had this idea before: "the limits of ecutek technology cause tuners could not make factory like maps"