BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

900 lbs heavier than our 86's.... yeah, this Mustang isn't going to be competitive with the 86...

Ford means dirt to me these days anyway, more than half of the Fords(not Mustangs) I see on the road drive slower than molasses. Maybe they know their rust bucket will fall apart if it goes above the speed limit. Mustangs however are always revving engines and speeding like they have something to prove, I don't know what it's called or if it has a term but a Mustang with an aftermarket exhaust sounds like the engine noise is echoing down the tailpipe. To me that's a very distinct sound, like the boxer engine.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by fatoni

well when i checked edmunds, they call it a guess and say its 100 lbs. im not saying it wont be heavier (especially if it has independent suspension). im just a little hesitant to criticize based on pure speculation.

car and driver had the curb weight of the m3 at over 3700

well they arent in the same class but if you look at numbers its the 86 that cant be competitive with the mustangs. i dont think anybody bought the frs to be competitive. i dont think that was the point of this car

Wiki says 3483, who knows maybe that M3 was fully loaded.

[TruRace]

The 2.3L ecoboost motor that is going in the 2015 stang has forged internals. Definitely has a whole lot of potential there. Not really a fan of the integrated exhaust manifold though. It also has piston cooling jets, which is pretty cool.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Of course that wasn't the point, but this thread IS "BRZ/FR-S vs. 2015 Mustang". It was speculated earlier that this new refresh might make the Mustang actually competitive with our nimble cars but bring the higher HP to bear as well. The weight increase negates that handling assumption pretty handily, I think. So, like the Mustangs of yore, it goes fast in a straight line, and..... that's about it.

it was assumed that it would shed weight and its looking like it hasnt even though its all still speculative. i just dont think that gaining weight automatically equals bad handling. if you look at motortrends best drivers are all heavier than the brz. i will take an extra hundred pounds (at these already large weightss) for the double wishbones or at least the potential improvement.

edit: look at the vette. its heavier but everyone is certain its the best vette to date

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by fatoni

it was assumed that it would shed weight and its looking like it hasnt even though its all still speculative. i just dont think that gaining weight automatically equals bad handling. if you look at motortrends best drivers are all heavier than the brz. i will take an extra hundred pounds (at these already large weightss) for the double wishbones or at least the potential improvement.

edit: look at the vette. its heavier but everyone is certain its the best vette to date

The new vette is only 90 lbs heavier though but has quite a bit more power so the 90 lbs is pretty much negated.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

The new vette is only 90 lbs heavier though but has quite a bit more power so the 90 lbs is pretty much negated.

the website you are using for info has the mustang gaining 82 lbs and 20 hp but horse power doesnt matter at all for handling really. despite the weight gain the vette pulls over a g on the skidpad so i dont think its as simple as "the mustang is gaining weight so its not going to handle well"

[TruRace]

The solid rear was a huge disadvantage to the mustang. Granted it's new suspension set up isn't spectacular, expect to see huge improvements in lap times for every trim. I think the v6, ecoboost, and the 5.0 are all going to be huge bargains for the performance, it looks like, they are going to bring. The mustang is a bit hefty, but the power adequate.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the website you are using for info has the mustang gaining 82 lbs and 20 hp but horse power doesnt matter at all for handling really. despite the weight gain the vette pulls over a g on the skidpad so i dont think its as simple as "the mustang is gaining weight so its not going to handle well"

It's handling was average before, now it's slightly worse. They could make it 1000 lbs heavier and all of the "jap crap" hillbillies would still buy it. I'm pretty sure I just said 167 lbs, the power will remain the same.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

It's handling was average before, now it's slightly worse. They could make it 1000 lbs heavier and all of the "jap crap" hillbillies would still buy it. I'm pretty sure I just said 167 lbs, the power will remain the same.

are you talking about the corvette or the mustang? i would like to see the review of either where they say the handling is worse now.

i know you just said it wil gain 167 lbs of weight gain and no power gain but when i went to the website you used for info (edmunds) , it clearly states otherwise.

edit:okay now i see what you were doing. you are comparing the weight of the previous v6 to the weight of the future v8. i would take an extra 167 lbs for an extra 235 hp and all the supporting factory updates.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by TruRace

The 2.3L ecoboost motor that is going in the 2015 stang has forged internals. Definitely has a whole lot of potential there. Not really a fan of the integrated exhaust manifold though. It also has piston cooling jets, which is pretty cool.

The integrated manifold is the largest aftermarket problem, beyond that...factory forged internals terb0? Gawd, if it was a Japanese car I'd be gushing.

[CajunFRS]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

It's handling was average before, now it's slightly worse. They could make it 1000 lbs heavier and all of the "jap crap" hillbillies would still buy it. I'm pretty sure I just said 167 lbs, the power will remain the same.

So you've driven the new Stang?

[samisons]

Honestly how could anyone determine it's handling is worse when there's zero test showing the new suspension ect.

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[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by fatoni

are you talking about the corvette or the mustang? i would like to see the review of either where they say the handling is worse now.

i know you just said it wil gain 167 lbs of weight gain and no power gain but when i went to the website you used for info (edmunds) , it clearly states otherwise.

edit:okay now i see what you were doing. you are comparing the weight of the previous v6 to the weight of the future v8. i would take an extra 167 lbs for an extra 235 hp and all the supporting factory updates.

I'm talking about the Mustang and I was comparing the previous V8 to the new V8.

[Brzetto]

It's a game of wait and see.