Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase)

[FRSupra]

If a four door 86 is made, I will never buy another Toyota again.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

If a four door 86 is made, I will never buy another Toyota again.

Out of disgust or because you won't need any other cars?

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Out of disgust or because you won't need any other cars?

Disgust. And that's saying something because I've been a long time Toyota fan. Toyota had standards at one time. If they ruin this platform I will be convinced they can no longer be what they once were.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Disgust. And that's saying something because I've been a long time Toyota fan. Toyota had standards at one time. If they ruin this platform I will be convinced they can no longer be what they once were.

They would only ruin the platform by compromising the coupe in order to make the sedan more viable. As far as I can tell, they are thinking about stretching the coupe platform to make a sedan. As long as the coupe remains uncompromised, you have nothing to complain about.

And really, getting emo because an automaker offers a small, light weight, RWD sedan based on a very good sports car is facepalm worthy. To me, it says that Toyota is serious about getting enthusiasts back into the fold.

[DougNuts]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Disgust. And that's saying something because I've been a long time Toyota fan. Toyota had standards at one time. If they ruin this platform I will be convinced they can no longer be what they once were.

I find it ironic that you think Toyota hung the moon by using a Subaru design.

Seriously though, before the FR-S Toyota hadn't made a car (not counting Lexus) worth a damn from an enthusiast point of view in YEARS, as in 15 or more. Stretching this extremely wide platform isn't going to ruin anything and adding 2 more doors will open it up to a large swath of us enthusiasts who want to buy the car but have a practical side (or a better half) telling us how hard it would be to get our kids back there.

I'm absolutely smitten with the idea of a larger (preferably shooting brake) version of this car and it will do nothing but allow Toyota to move more cars. Example: Porsche didn't sell fewer 911s after the Panamera came out.

Toyota is in this to make money guys, and platform sharing makes the most money. I can say this - I've been driving for 17 years and this is the first Toyota or Scion I've ever wanted to spend my money on. I sold my CTS-V to get something light weight with approachable limits on the street - the FR-S/BRZ is on my list, but the only way I see myself actually getting to buy one is as a 3 or 5 door hatchback or maybe a well styled sedan.

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by Quentin

They would only ruin the platform by compromising the coupe in order to make the sedan more viable. As far as I can tell, they are thinking about stretching the coupe platform to make a sedan. As long as the coupe remains uncompromised, you have nothing to complain about.

And really, getting emo because an automaker offers a small, light weight, RWD sedan based on a very good sports car is facepalm worthy. To me, it says that Toyota is serious about getting enthusiasts back into the fold.

Don't care about your two cents or how you want to put it. If Toyota puts an 86 nameplate on a sedan it will ruin in for me. Toyota is serious about making money and that's a about it. Since the end of the 90s they focused their maturity toward the older population and made mini vans their main focus, only to throw their sports car division into a kiddie grouped project genesis. I have held hope for a long time and with the 86 has given me hope, but to make something that was purpose built as a sports coupe for a certain person and turn it inito a platform for mommy and daddy would be a sad attempt to make every possible buck from something good. I understand that any company is out to make money but leve the 4 door sports car to mommy and daddy under a Lexus nameplate. Toyota used to be about affordable reliable sports cars , cheap thrills. Now it's about unattainable playboy super cars and big ol lifted pick ups and 50k minicvans. Leave the 86 as it is for the people it was meant for. It's all tee got.

Originally Posted by DougNuts

I find it ironic that you think Toyota hung the moon by using a Subaru design.

The design is toyotas. Unless you mean the engine, which of course is subaru with Toyota injection.

[fr-sTony]

Originally Posted by GinDo

Will, buy. Family man needs a cheap 4 Door Sports Car. Thank you Toyota.

And people if you want more power add it yourself. Seriously, or indulge in the other perfectly fine RWD Sport Coupes out there.

EDIT: And lol at people saying there is not a market. -__-

Well this discussion has opened my eyes to a slightly longer 4-door. I know I would rather not be a passenger in my car for more than 5 minutes at a time. I've done it and it's nearly impossible without having a shorter person in the seat in front of me. Rock on Toyota - I can see a big market for it.

[aCab]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Don't care about your two cents or how you want to put it. If Toyota puts an 86 nameplate on a sedan it will ruin in for me.

Really? Really? This is turning into a debate about what they are going to call the damn thing that is only speculated? Who cares what they call it?

It's going to be the same damn car no matter what they call it/brand it. Names and brands are irrelevant to anyone but the most shallow "enthusiast".

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

If Toyota puts an 86 nameplate on a sedan it will ruin in for me.

By your logic (and it's a stretch to call it that) the existence of the above car automatically makes the coupe version a disgusting shitbox unworthy of ownership:


I've never seen a GT-R owner sell their car just because Skyline sedans exist on the same platform. Maybe after I've got an 86 sedan, you can give your coupe to me so I can give it to my girlfriend?

but leve the 4 door sports car to mommy and daddy under a Lexus nameplate

Lexus cars tend to be overweight, full of luxury junk that a prospective 86 sport sedan buyer might not want, like leather interiors, power/heated seats, and a bunch of electronic driver assistance nannies.

The design is toyotas. Unless you mean the engine, which of course is subaru with Toyota injection.

Substantial portions of the suspension system/geometry are derived from the WRX. The car is closer to "Subaru chassis with Toyota body kit" than "Toyota chassis with Subaru engine" (although neither statement is truly accurate).

[fr-sTony]

Originally Posted by aCab

Really? Really? This is turning into a debate about what they are going to call the damn thing that is only speculated? Who cares what they call it?

It's going to be the same damn car no matter what they call it/brand it. Names and brands are irrelevant to anyone but the most shallow "enthusiast".

No- It's about what they shouldn't call it.
The name 86 is from the sportiest rear drive 2-door Corolla offered in the 80's. The 4-doors were called 81 (80 and 82 in the U.S.). But they were never rear wheel drive, so that would really be something really nice and different. And the FR-S 4-door would/could be called FR-S+2 or something close, with the BRZ being named something to designate that it has more doors and room and size-oh my.

Japanese market chassis:
AE81 — FWD, 3A-LU engine, 4-door sedan (DX, GL, SE), 5-door liftback (SX), 3/5-door hatchback (Corolla FX)
AE85 — RWD, 3A-U engine, 2-door coupé (Levin SE, Levin GL), 3-door liftback (Levin SR)
AE86 — RWD, 4A-GEU engine, 2-door coupé (Levin GT, Levin GT-APEX), 3-door liftback (Levin GT, Levin GT-APEX) and Trueno of course.

[fr-sTony]

Originally Posted by Noble713

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By your logic (and it's a stretch to call it that) the existence of the above car automatically makes the coupe version a disgusting shitbox unworthy of ownership:
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I've never seen a GT-R owner sell their car just because Skyline sedans exist on the same platform. Maybe after I've got an 86 sedan, you can give your coupe to me so I can give it to my girlfriend?



Lexus cars tend to be overweight, full of luxury junk that a prospective 86 sport sedan buyer might not want, like leather interiors, power/heated seats, and a bunch of electronic driver assistance nannies.

It wouldn't make the coupe disgusting, it would just be wrong to name the 4-door something it's not.

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by fr-sTony

It wouldn't make the coupe disgusting, it would just be wrong to name the 4-door something it's not.

If the sedan keeps the 86x86 bore/stroke, an 86-derived name would still be accurate.

[fr-sTony]

Originally Posted by Noble713

If the sedan keeps the 86x86 bore/stroke, an 86-derived name would still be accurate.

hmm I thought that back in the day the 86 only meant the body style or body and engine combo. Not sure the classic engine was 86x86. Just the new one is.
Edited->Yeah there were no 2 liters. Doh! I knew that...
They didn't name the new car after the old engine. So it has to be a different name for the 4-door body.

[fr-sTony]

I guess you could still keep 86 as the name but put some letters behind it.
AE81 — FWD, 3A-LU engine, 4-door sedan (DX, GL, SE), 5-door liftback (SX), 3/5-door hatchback (Corolla FX)