2013 Dodge Viper leaked

[airjonny]

Originally Posted by raven1231

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[IPGJames]

I have a huge appreciation for these cars lately. I think I took notice after all the recent news about the Viper being discontinued and started reading up on the latest ACR models...they are extremely impressive...and for what you are getting also substantially cheaper than a lot of its competitors

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by IPGJames

I have a huge appreciation for these cars lately. I think I took notice after all the recent news about the Viper being discontinued and started reading up on the latest ACR models...they are extremely impressive...and for what you are getting also substantially cheaper than a lot of its competitors

both GM and Ford has been creating great sports cars lately (especially after 2010) and now with the new Viper ACR, Dodge dropped the mic German and Japanese cars left behind in the game, I think the main advantage of the domestic cars is the handling department ..

new Camaro SS only costs $37k but the performance brings to the table is better than many of those to $70-80k import cars

[NyC Zn6]

Well the Viper was an iconic 90's sports car. Shit they even made a tv show about it lol.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well with the right tires...

And the viper engine....

[totopo]

Ehh, the viper acr always had rdiiculous tires to get its resiculous times. Aren't the current ones some custom v720s with like a utqg of 20? Aren't even Hoosiers utqqg of 40? Not really a "street" tire as driving to get groceries probably heat cycles those tires past retirement.

Those old acr had those Michelin cup sport semi slicks back when most cars were running uhp or mp at best, but now all the manufacturers are cheating with thise cup sports for nurburgring times. Maybe this is the future and next dot legal slicks will be optional equipment so manufacturers can use them to get better times.

I guess we really can be the ones to blame. With the shift away from drag racing into time trials and drifting in the younger car enthusiast group the lap time number is probably a super important marketing metric.

I wish they would use similar tires so we could actually compare these cars I'll never be able to buy driven by drivers better than I can possibly drive.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by glamcem

both GM and Ford has been creating great sports cars lately (especially after 2010) and now with the new Viper ACR, Dodge dropped the mic German and Japanese cars left behind in the game, I think the main advantage of the domestic cars is the handling department ..

new Camaro SS only costs $37k but the performance brings to the table is better than many of those to $70-80k import cars

"sports cars"

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by glamcem

the lesson here is fanboyism against American cars should end since 8 out of 10 cars in that top ten list is domestic

Agree with that statement. I saw a chart recently plotting MSRP vs. lap times at VIR among new cars. All of the best value cars were domestic, not surprisingly.

What impresses me about the Viper ACR is not its fast laptimes and high limits, but how easy it apparently is to drive at those limits. Just an example - I heard Dodge designed the rear wing to provide maximum downforce relative to yaw. Took them 300 hrs in a windtunnel for the rear wing alone.

[Packofcrows]

It's getting harder to truly differentiate JDM to anything nowadays. Nowadays its the culture in the car enthusiast that keeps labels like that alive.


Anyway, i've never liked Vipers. Ugly.... gimme a Gran Torino instead.

This one is really cool though!~

Holy cr@p and it's like 90k!


Faster than GTR?

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by totopo

Ehh, the viper acr always had rdiiculous tires to get its resiculous times. Aren't the current ones some custom v720s with like a utqg of 20? Aren't even Hoosiers utqqg of 40? Not really a "street" tire as driving to get groceries probably heat cycles those tires past retirement.

Those old acr had those Michelin cup sport semi slicks back when most cars were running uhp or mp at best, but now all the manufacturers are cheating with thise cup sports for nurburgring times. Maybe this is the future and next dot legal slicks will be optional equipment so manufacturers can use them to get better times.

I guess we really can be the ones to blame. With the shift away from drag racing into time trials and drifting in the younger car enthusiast group the lap time number is probably a super important marketing metric.

I wish they would use similar tires so we could actually compare these cars I'll never be able to buy driven by drivers better than I can possibly drive.

don't let the UTOQ ratings fool you, I would never believe the Pirelli Trofeo R s to be 60 TDW personally or Toyo R888s, or new RE71Rs.. or the factory spec tires used on Porsches (N spec Cup 2s) even the new Base Mustang GT350 comes with PSS tires that specifically designed for it ..in short, every car manufacturer nowadays use very good tires especially the hyper/supercars ..even if there was an advantage it wouldn't be that much in a 1:30 mins circuit , probably less than a second

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

It's getting harder to truly differentiate JDM to anything nowadays. Nowadays its the culture in the car enthusiast that keeps labels like that alive.


Anyway, i've never liked Vipers. Ugly.... gimme a Gran Torino instead.

This one is really cool though!~

Holy cr@p and it's like 90k!


Faster than GTR?

yes, by a big margin, you can find the GT-R Times in that list as well (also driven by Pobst)

[torqdork]

Somewhere I read that the bespoke tires are rated 200. Imagine what it could do with Primacys.

The Centurions over on the big Z06/Z07 board became a "bit" heated over this, eventually rolled over and started spouting absurdities like "but it's nowhere near as comfortable...no automatic...no convertible...lousy daily driver... too much downforce slows it down", etc.

Yet none of them mentioned the recognized issue with LS4 engines grenading unless the owner is lucky enough to enter limp-home mode after 2-3 hot laps. Chevy's excuse is that the typical Z06 demographic won't be tracking the car anyway. They have a point.

This ACR will be highly collectible. I've read only 200 will be produced before all Viper production stops. I imagine all are sold out now and will be popping up on Mecum soon.

[STZ]

Originally Posted by raven1231

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[Packofcrows]

I worked for Mecum once! Got to sit in 2008(?) Bugatti! Also a old Mach 1 (?) Mustang that sold for like 408k and a Shelby that sold for 100k. I was on tv too...ewww