CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[Kostamojen]

Hopefully there will be more factory style dampeners in the near future, that is something i'm interested in eventually... (I had the "SPT" setup on my GC8 for awhile, the AGX struts sold from Subaru plus the SPT springs and Group-N tophats, loved that suspension)

Time to look into rear swaybars (already have the Strano FSB)

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Hopefully there will be more factory style dampeners in the near future, that is something i'm interested in eventually... (I had the "SPT" setup on my GC8 for awhile, the AGX struts sold from Subaru plus the SPT springs and Group-N tophats, loved that suspension)

Time to look into rear swaybars (already have the Strano FSB)

Ahhh there we go. Yes, just running the front swaybar will cause some understeer (and it's more noticeable with our springs). Good for front end response but yes match it with a rear bar! Our springs + front and rear bars = goodness.

And yeah, I'm hoping some Bilstein reviews pop up soon. I know a bunch of people have gone with the HDs and Sports recently and I'm looking forward to hearing some feedback.

- Andy

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

My alignment specs are -2.5 degrees of camber on the front and -2.0 degrees of camber on the rear with about -0.05 toe all around, I am competing in STX and will do 2 lapping days this year with 20000+km of street driving. Any alignment change recommendations?

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

My alignment specs are -2.5 degrees of camber on the front and -2.0 degrees of camber on the rear with about -0.05 toe all around, I am competing in STX and will do 2 lapping days this year with 20000+km of street driving. Any alignment change recommendations?

Could go lower in the rear to about -1.5, slight toe in maybe? That's great camber up front at 0 toe. Only minor adjustment I would make but with STX, the extra rear camber may be beneficial.

[wparsons]

With the stock alignment on mine it was very obvious that the front needed more camber added than the rear. I was pretty far onto the shoulders of the fronts but just fine in the back. I would bet that -1.5 in the rear is plenty until your tire wear (or pyrometer readings) tell you otherwise.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Ahhh there we go. Yes, just running the front swaybar will cause some understeer (and it's more noticeable with our springs). Good for front end response but yes match it with a rear bar! Our springs + front and rear bars = goodness.

And yeah, I'm hoping some Bilstein reviews pop up soon. I know a bunch of people have gone with the HDs and Sports recently and I'm looking forward to hearing some feedback.

- Andy

Would you reccomend this setup for an STX car? Its my first year and will only be local even in the long run. I just have Potenza S04s and RCE yellows now. I have Konis but need to get one replaced (i bought them used and one was blown) and have been trying to decide if the Konis or sways will be my next mod. I cant seem to find too many high prep stx cars running front and rear sways so am curious.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Would you reccomend this setup for an STX car? Its my first year and will only be local even in the long run. I just have Potenza S04s and RCE yellows now. I have Konis but need to get one replaced (i bought them used and one was blown) and have been trying to decide if the Konis or sways will be my next mod. I cant seem to find too many high prep stx cars running front and rear sways so am curious.

Yes, there's a bunch of people autocrossing RCE Yellows with Konis. It's a good set up that you can do well with locally. I think there's a thread here someone was updating, but I can't find it at the moment.

High prep STX cars may not run front and rear sways, but those cars are running pretty firm coilovers anyway. With a softer spring set up you will benefit more from adding swaybars than they would.

That said I might get your Konis taken care of first.

- Andy

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

My alignment specs are -2.5 degrees of camber on the front and -2.0 degrees of camber on the rear with about -0.05 toe all around, I am competing in STX and will do 2 lapping days this year with 20000+km of street driving. Any alignment change recommendations?

What's the rest of your set-up? Spring rates, tires, etc.

- Andy

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

What's the rest of your set-up? Spring rates, tires, etc.

- Andy

RCE Yellows, Bilstein Sport Series shocks, Raceseng camber plates, Eibach front and rear sway bars front set to stiff rear set to soft, 16x7 Volk TE37s with 225/50/16 Hankook RS-3s and second set is Bridgestone RE-11s.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Yes, there's a bunch of people autocrossing RCE Yellows with Konis. It's a good set up that you can do well with locally. I think there's a thread here someone was updating, but I can't find it at the moment.

High prep STX cars may not run front and rear sways, but those cars are running pretty firm coilovers anyway. With a softer spring set up you will benefit more from adding swaybars than they would.

That said I might get your Konis taken care of first.

- Andy

Yeah, i was following the thread. I think they swapped to tarmac springs and havent really updated since. Might have to go track it down and tag them to get an update. Thanks for the info and the reminder. May be calling soon to get that Koni taken care of.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Ahhh there we go. Yes, just running the front swaybar will cause some understeer (and it's more noticeable with our springs). Good for front end response but yes match it with a rear bar! Our springs + front and rear bars = goodness.

The FSB + stock springs + camber bolts was fantastic BTW

Not really much of any understeer with that setup, and would still rotate with the stock tires or even some 225 semi-performance summer tires. Its what the guys in C-stock run.

I'm thinking 17mm rear, maybe 18mm???

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

RCE Yellows, Bilstein Sport Series shocks, Raceseng camber plates, Eibach front and rear sway bars front set to stiff rear set to soft, 16x7 Volk TE37s with 225/50/16 Hankook RS-3s and second set is Bridgestone RE-11s.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

I'd say your alignment is pretty good, but you'd like a little more front camber at the track or auto-x. Of course you'll increase treadwear with more front camber so there's a compromise.

I think your rear camber is good. I'd prefer zero toe in the rear but that varies driver to driver.

- Andy

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

The FSB + stock springs + camber bolts was fantastic BTW

Not really much of any understeer with that setup, and would still rotate with the stock tires or even some 225 semi-performance summer tires. Its what the guys in C-stock run.

I'm thinking 17mm rear, maybe 18mm???

Yes, the Yellows are happier with front AND rear swaybars while stock benefits a great deal with just the front bar. That's by design....we wanted the springs to be good with stock swaybars (rather than really need a front bar or stiffer front rates like every other spring). When adding bars then you need to do both.

Did you get the replacement bumpstops with your used Yellows?

16mm is the common size for a rear bar for this car. Get an adjustable and find a setting you like (probably stiff). Whiteline is good. They do make an 18mm rear but it's pretty big...

- Andy

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Sounds like a lot of fun.

I'd say your alignment is pretty good, but you'd like a little more front camber at the track or auto-x. Of course you'll increase treadwear with more front camber so there's a compromise.

I think your rear camber is good. I'd prefer zero toe in the rear but that varies driver to driver.

- Andy

Lots of fun, but the rear is pretty snappy with the sway bar set to stiff so I brought it back down to soft. I will try to reduce the toe to 0 in the rear. Really need wider tires to take advantage of the suspension now but I don't want to go up to 17" wheels.