Am I the only one that thinks those waiting for 2015....

[Sport-Tech]

If Ford lets their Euro tuning crew loose on the new Mustang the way they did on the Fiesta ST (which is getting rave reviews for its handling from all corners, even with a twisted-beam rear end) Ford could have a winner - I will definitely be checking it out. If the handling is very good then the twins are going to have to up their game with more power or they will get seriously marginalized.

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Meehow86

I'm sorry, but I can't take that statement seriously.

Depends how you define reasonable. For me that would be $3-4K (with a few other upgrades - in particular the brakes which blow out far too quickly in track use).

[thill]

The verdict is still out for me on the new Mustang. I would really have to be impressed over what Ford has done in the past with the Mustang for me to consider one. Everytime I drive a Mustang, I am reminded why I don't like them.

I also don't necessarily think that the FT86 platform and Mustang platform will attract the same buyers. There is so cross-shopping, but they are such different cars...

[a2cpc]

Originally Posted by thill

I also don't necessarily think that the FT86 platform and Mustang platform will attract the same buyers. There is so cross-shopping, but they are such different cars...

Why? I know not with this generation, but what about an under 100 inch wheelbase(slightly smaller than the BRZ) and has multiple engines to choose from along with a possible convertible. Yea...those will be cross shopped.

[SliverBrz]

just get it now drive it until your warranty is out, then boost it yourself

be happy now and later =)

[go2brz]

Originally Posted by a2cpc

Both those situations are addressed in most the current rumors about the next generation Mustang. IRS, 16 inches shorter and 6 inches less width and about a 400lbs loss in weight.



I had the chance last year to drive the BRZ(first time with an hour test in the mountains around Napa) and a Mustang 6 convertible(our rental car) in the same mountains on the same day. I Thought the Mustang to be comfortable, powerful enough fun rental car. It wasn't a BRZ, but then again it was a rental. You are right, it was no comparison, but I didn't expect it to be. It was perfect for what I wanted and allowed me to do something I couldn't do with a BRZ. Drive though the Redwood Forests with the top down!

Let's see what happens in a year. Rumor has it that it could be out as early as 2014 1/2 as a 50 year Mustang model.

I did not expect them to be the same, in fact I knew that they are totally different animals. As I said: No Comparison. My remark was made because a few people mention the Mustang as an alternative to the BRZ. It is not an alternative, it is a sea change. I was fine with the Mustang as a rental car, but not as an actual alternative to a BRZ. I'm glad you enjoyed having a convertible. But If someone wants the industry leading low center of gravity, balance, and handling prowes at the level of the BRZ, they will never get it from a Mustang. That does not mean the Mustang is not a fine auto for those who want a Muscle car type feel of acceleration. IMO they would have to do a lot more than shed some weight. As long as there is a big heavy engine mounted over the front axle it will always be a handful on the corners..... And a Mustang without a big V-8 option is not a Mustang (see the Mustang II), so they will be limited in what they can do to make it a "true" handling sports car instead of a "sporty" car that is powerful.

I am not saying at all that the Mustang is not OK for what it does or that it is not a desirable car for certain buyers. Just like a Camaro, or Challenger they are not and have never been about handling at the crux. They are about power. IMO anyone who buys a Mustang or such over a BRZ did not really want or care about exceptional handling. And that is fine, but again there is no real comparison.

[bkblitzed]

the new 5.0's are great cars. Idk what all the hate is. but they do awesome in autox and are great cars for track days

[jeebus]

i change cars like most people change socks. When I wanted the BRZ I bought it. When I'm tired of it, I'll sell it. If they make a better/faster one I'll probably buy that one too.

[Curtis]

I'm happy with my '13.

So tired of the rumors "Why didn't you wait for the turbo?" or "You didn't get the turbo model?". Especially people who aren't Subaru fans and don't even own a BRZ/FRS.

I was told there was no talk of a turbo/charger when i bought mine. Wish there was just some simple truth to the stuff i hear.

I will probably want the '15, but saying that... I will want a lexus too haha with the pay increase in my career to come. I DUNNO lol

[InvalidJohnny5]

Idk, the thing is with this car is it grows with you. You drive it long enough and confidence increases around a corner at higher speed than an M3 or even an EVO. I honestly didn't have a problem with the car stock. The true reason I got a turbo was how gutless the car felt on an uphill, it just struggled painfully. The whole non-sense of "ah it disrupts handling, you need to upgrade this and this for it to handle it" is false. That's unless you plan on going for incredibly high numbers, I'd say the only thing that would make a newer almost similar 86 would have to be a high torque capacity transmission, if that's not the case I could careless what they do to it.

[a2cpc]

Originally Posted by go2brz

I did not expect them to be the same, in fact I knew that they are totally different animals. As I said: No Comparison. My remark was made because a few people mention the Mustang as an alternative to the BRZ. It is not an alternative, it is a sea change. I was fine with the Mustang as a rental car, but not as an actual alternative to a BRZ. I'm glad you enjoyed having a convertible. But If someone wants the industry leading low center of gravity, balance, and handling prowes at the level of the BRZ, they will never get it from a Mustang. That does not mean the Mustang is not a fine auto for those who want a Muscle car type feel of acceleration. IMO they would have to do a lot more than shed some weight. As long as there is a big heavy engine mounted over the front axle it will always be a handful on the corners..... And a Mustang without a big V-8 option is not a Mustang (see the Mustang II), so they will be limited in what they can do to make it a "true" handling sports car instead of a "sporty" car that is powerful.

I am not saying at all that the Mustang is not OK for what it does or that it is not a desirable car for certain buyers. Just like a Camaro, or Challenger they are not and have never been about handling at the crux. They are about power. IMO anyone who buys a Mustang or such over a BRZ did not really want or care about exceptional handling. And that is fine, but again there is no real comparison.

So have you read any of the accounts of what the new Mustang will be like? Smaller, lighter, and with a European type suspension. Rumor has its engines being a choice of turbo-4 Ecotec to V8. Will it have a higher center of gravity that the BRZ...yea, but so does almost every other car in the world. Will it be the Mustang II, no, but it will be more in the call with the BRZ than it will with Camaro. Oh, and you are right there never were any good handling Mustangs...

[thill]

Originally Posted by a2cpc

Why? I know not with this generation, but what about an under 100 inch wheelbase(slightly smaller than the BRZ) and has multiple engines to choose from along with a possible convertible. Yea...those will be cross shopped.

The current Mustang (I can't speak for the to be released one any more than you can) and current FT86 are completely different cars. Aside from the fact that they are both RWD 2 door coupes, the similarities pretty much stop there. If you want a bigger, heavy car with lots of horsepower, and more of a GT size/feel I don't really see why you would buy an FT86. If you want a car that weighs under 3K lbs, has a low center of gravity and focuses more on being a drivers car and less on being a GT musclecar, then the FT86.

The Mustang is going to attract buyers who want a GT car and are looking at Camaro's, Challengers, Gencoupes, etc.

[a2cpc]

Originally Posted by thill

The current Mustang (I can't speak for the to be released one any more than you can) and current FT86 are completely different cars Aside from the fact that they are both RWD 2 door coupes, the similarities pretty much stop there. If you want a bigger, heavy car with lots of horsepower, and more of a GT size/feel I don't really see why you would buy an FT86...

Agreed, but I have talking about the next Generation Mustang from the beginning. If, in fact, it does turn out to be a less than 100inch wheelbase, 3100lb car with several engines which could include a 2.3L turbo, would you not agree it would be a direct competitor for the BRZ. I understand that with the other engine options it might be different.

It does appear to be quite smaller...look at the size of the driver.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113082161694/2015-ford-mustang-shows-its-front-fascia-in-latest-spy

[thill]

Originally Posted by a2cpc

Agreed, but I have talking about the next Generation Mustang from the beginning. If, in fact, it does turn out to be a less than 100inch wheelbase, 3100lb car with several engines which could include a 2.3L turbo, would you not agree it would be a direct competitor for the BRZ. I understand that with the other engine options it might be different.

It does appear to be quite smaller...look at the size of the driver.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/113082161694/2015-ford-mustang-shows-its-front-fascia-in-latest-spy

I think it will be more of a direct competitor. But until I drive one, hard to say if it will be close enough to the drivers car that the FT86 is.

I think American muscle cars will be dramatically changing in the upcoming years whether people want them to or not. CAFE standards will puch cars to be lighter and engines to be more efficient.

I am definitely excited to see the direction Ford is taking the Mustang in, I just hope it is enough.