Why can't the BRZ GT300 or factory BRZ wheels have flush fitment?

[Alias]

Despite the car looking great it has been designed to DRIVE and handle well, "flush" fitment is quite good at ruining the handling and driving feel in favor of looks. I'm glad they haven't sacrificed the control and feeling (what this car is about) just so it can look more "trendy"

You want to do that kind of thing to yours? Go for it, slap some 22"s on there while you're at it, I'm all for personal modifications to get a car to be what you want it to be.

[86fanatic]

Originally Posted by catharsis

Better question. Who Cares?

Put me down in the camp who doesn't understand the flush fitment craze. I would complain about understeer long before I mentioned how much space there is between the top of the wheel and the bottom of the wheel well.

Anyway it's a balance between practicality and performance. The car sits pretty low already (lower then a Golf R) and any lower scrapping on driveways/speed bumps might be a concern.

[catharsis]

gasp



It's not flush, and its german!

[catharsis]

No offense to the OP but the cars that way because its functional. Very few cars come out from the factory "flush". If you want it flush mod the car to your hearts content. But as for getting that stock, don't expect it.

[fatoni]

being flush has no impact on handling. there are often sacrifices made to attain a flush fittment but where the wheel sits in relation to the plane of the fender doesnt influence handling

[70NYD]

Making flush your self can make WORSE handling I the car wasn't designed for the show pony setup in the 1st place. It creates more drag than sunken (spokes make drag as well) and it takes more effort to design from factory to sit flush when level, but sink when squat.
Hellaflush->hellashit

[catharsis]

being flush from the factory doesn't affect handling, however it effects aerodynamics and MPG. Which is why you won't see it from many manufacturers, or race cars.

[switchlanez]

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LFA?


Cayman R?


Veyron?

[SUB-FT86]

Yeah, when I saw the BRZ in person I hated two things about it in stock form.

1. Wheels gap is nasty looking
2. The wheels are too sunken in and looked like it needed 15F/20R mm spacers

[switchlanez]

I'm hearing a lot of assertions from you guys with no technical facts to back it and many are confusing flush with hellaflush. I don't care about hellaflush nor did I ever mention it. But I do care about how my car looks (is it wrong to want that particularly out of a sports car?) I don't understand why a manufacturer decides to push a wheel so far into the fender when they have the choice not to from the onset of development.

When I upgraded to C-ONE (a Toyota tuning arm) WedsSport wheels designed exclusively for the Celica, it looked and handled more beautifully compared to stock. This was years ago when I'd never heard of hellaflush. I didn't even understand the concept of offset when I bought the wheels. It wasn't til after I installed them that I noticed they stuck out a little more. I remember googling "wheel offset" and finding out these stuck out a subtle 13mm or so compared to stock. That's where my discerning eye started for fitment (again, no hellaflush craze existed at the time). Even the TRD Celica wheels stuck out around 10mm compared to stock. I don't understand what's so hard about making it come like that from the factory.

[catharsis]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

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LFA?


Cayman R?


Veyron?

that's just a side effect of fitting very wide wheels on those cars. In their case more grip > less aerodynamic drag. Because it is a minimal difference. However on race cars where every bit matters. They always want the wheels tucked in for less drag down the straight aways.






Why someone would care so much about a minute detail bets me.

[catharsis]

To elaborate I think it's like that for many reason. The wheels are pretty skinny from the factory stock. The designers made the wheel well large so it can easily accommodate larger fitment. Also a beneficial by product is reduced drag on the car so better mileage on the highway. All these add up to why the car comes in that set up.

[switchlanez]

^Manufacturers can design wheels with a more positive offset so they remain sunken in (in agreement with your aerodynamics argument) and maintain wheel width for handling. I don't see why they didn't do that with the LFA, Golf R, Veyron, Cayman R, etc.

And fitment may be a minute detail but is also an acquired taste. Why are there fine wines v. cheap wines? Most people don't understand the difference but it's there and important to those who do. It's particularly ridiculous when you have fender bulges that flare out and come pre-rolled from the factory but there's still a huge gap and the wheels are sunken in (e.g. BRZ).

[86fanatic]

Sorry but I had to laugh at comparing wheel fitment to appreciating fine wine. That seems like a bit of a stretch. It's a personal preference, that's all. Another example: some people care about not having fake fender vents, some prefer the look regardless.

The 86 is probably designed like that to house a variety of aftermarket wheels, so you can go as big or as wide as you want in the aftermarket. It's perfect for being flexible to the people who care about having big wheels, perfect fitment, wide sticky tires - and those that prefer the softer ride of the stock smaller wheels.