Any previous Miata owners out there?

[garfull]

Had an NC miata with retactable hardtop. Wanted to start tracking it but couldn't fit a roll cage and still pass the broom stick test. NC had full suspension setup, not coilovers. Handling was very predictable compared to the FRS. But FRS is much more comfortable and a better daily driver.

Also had a NA, interior space is way better than the NC believe it or not, especially for the passenger. Cost will be far less to make a trackable NA, even an NB compared to the cost of a FRS. IMOP stock miata suspension is the first thing to change out. FRS you can leave stock.

Also had an AP2 s2000. Powerwise way better than the miata, more comfortable too, but handling is less predictable than the miatas, handles more like the FRS.

[hushypushy]

Well, I went from a mildly modded '94 Miata to the FR-S. Although I loved the Miata, I don't regret going to the FR-S at all. The only thing I really miss is cruising through the city (of SF) with the top down.

Racing Beat intake, Koni/Koni suspension, Hard Dog Hard Bar, 15x7 Panasports with 205/50/15 Kumho XS, and some little trinkets (Hella headlights, Momo wheel, etc). That car was an absolute blast to drive on and off the track.





The FR-S is faster in a straight line and has much more interior and cargo space, but it still gets better fuel mileage. It's more refined on the highway and the stock seating position is much more comfortable. Overall it's a better commuter/street car--but that's almost entirely because it's just newer.

But is it more fun? Hard to say. The Miata is certainly a more raw and visceral driving experience---you're hauling around ~500 lbs less, there's no top (or a really flimsy one), and the steering is more communicative. But the FR-S is also very 'playful'--the very reason I bought one is because it's one of the Top 5 best handling cars I've personally driven (the MP4-12C, 987 Boxster, 997 911 and NA Miata round out that list).

I don't understand why people buy an old car to daily drive and save the FR-S for the weekend. The FR-S is modern and posh; it's a great car to drive to work every day, and even better if you get to hit up a few twisties along the way. For the weekend, I'd like to have a rawer and older car, like a Miata, CRX, or E30. But if it comes down to only picking ONE car, for commute and for weekend, for traffic jams and cone carving, the choice is easy for me: FR-S.

[mla163]

Originally Posted by hushypushy

I don't understand why people buy an old car to daily drive and save the FR-S for the weekend. The FR-S is modern and posh; it's a great car to drive to work every day, and even better if you get to hit up a few twisties along the way. For the weekend, I'd like to have a rawer and older car, like a Miata, CRX, or E30. But if it comes down to only picking ONE car, for commute and for weekend, for traffic jams and cone carving, the choice is easy for me: FR-S.

My thoughts as well, just worded better.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by ih8rain

I like the larger cabin, the padded storage bin behind the front seats that folds down to accommodate two sets of golf clubs or a pop-up, chairs and a cooler for a track day, and a IMO better styling inside and out.

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think a big issue is that the frs has a roof. with the miata, you need a rollbar. a rollbar means you need a harness and a harness means you need a racing seat. those things take so much of the daily drivability out of the car. having a fixed roof is the reason i would be making the switch.

Yep, these are two big reasons I'm in an FR-S right now. If you're going to bring your DD car to the track, these are things to think about.

Originally Posted by AlanLGuy

My only experience with a miata was a 1.8L swapped turbo NA that made about 275whp.

The FR-S is such an easy car to drive its handling predictable and forgiving when driven over the edge. The miata on the other hand was twitchy, had to be very careful with the throttle, if you weren't completely straight when that power kicked you would quickly find yourself doing circles. The FR-S is much more forgiving and is easy to recover when the rear end walks out on you.

Haha the 275whp turbo kit on the Miata is the 600 lbs Gorilla in that comparison. At least from my experience, the rear end on the FR-S is more prone to kick around than on a stock NA Miata.

[x96nax]

Originally Posted by AlanLGuy

My only experience with a miata was a 1.8L swapped turbo NA that made about 275whp. Needless to say that thing was a lot faster than my FR-S, however I can say that overall I think the FR-S is the more "fun" car for me.

The FR-S is such an easy car to drive its handling predictable and forgiving when driven over the edge. The miata on the other hand was twitchy, had to be very careful with the throttle, if you weren't completely straight when that power kicked you would quickly find yourself doing circles. The FR-S is much more forgiving and is easy to recover when the rear end walks out on you.

Assuming a non-turboed NA miata, I'd take the FR-S over a miata any day for daily driving or dual purpose.

For a dedicated track or autocross car id take the miata though. Lots of parts available, relatively cheap, proven platform. My only gripe would be the lack of power, but if you are looking for high horsepower the twins aren't exactly the best option either. From a simple cost vs speed perspective the miata definitely wins.

Sounds like a pretty big turbo to be cranking out 275whp. I think 240-250whp on a Miata is pretty ideal as long as the rear tires are switched out with stickier and wider ones. This can be achieved by doing some fender rolling but others have opted for cutting the fender well and putting on fender flares. Also, many people chose the supercharger route so that the power output is more even but reaches it's peak much faster.

Originally Posted by hushypushy

Well, I went from a mildly modded '94 Miata to the FR-S. Although I loved the Miata, I don't regret going to the FR-S at all. The only thing I really miss is cruising through the city (of SF) with the top down.
...That car was an absolute blast to drive on and off the track.

I don't understand why people buy an old car to daily drive and save the FR-S for the weekend. The FR-S is modern and posh; it's a great car to drive to work every day, and even better if you get to hit up a few twisties along the way. For the weekend, I'd like to have a rawer and older car, like a Miata, CRX, or E30. But if it comes down to only picking ONE car, for commute and for weekend, for traffic jams and cone carving, the choice is easy for me: FR-S.

I think a main reason why people take their FRS out only on weekends is because it's newer. They wouldn't want to increase the amount of door dings they could accumulate in a crowded parking lot at work or get paint chips when they reach the freeway.

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think a big issue is that the frs has a roof. with the miata, you need a rollbar. a rollbar means you need a harness and a harness means you need a racing seat. those things take so much of the daily drivability out of the car. having a fixed roof is the reason i would be making the switch.

I can see how that changes the overall experience! However, most miata owners opt for the hardtop which usually costs anywhere from 30-100% of what their Miata is worth. It's definitely worth it as it'll make the car's chassis more rigid, reduce cabin sound, increase visibility (compared to the soft-top), increase security (with top locks), increase safety (when you happen to flip over) and it just looks much better than the soft top.

I also know a ton of Miata people without a harness or racing seat. The factory seat is uncomfortable though so most Miata owners opt for the bucket seats. The nice thing about the roll bar or roll cage is that it doesn't change your vehicle's practicality. On other vehicles, you would need to sacrifice the ability to have 3 seats available in the back when you get that roll cage, however, with the Miata, that roll bar increases the chassis's rigidness without being too unpractical.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by x96nax

Sounds like a pretty big turbo to be cranking out 275whp. I think 240-250whp on a Miata is pretty ideal as long as the rear tires are switched out with stickier and wider ones. This can be achieved by doing some fender rolling but others have opted for cutting the fender well and putting on fender flares. Also, many people chose the supercharger route so that the power output is more even but reaches it's peak much faster.


I think a main reason why people take their FRS out only on weekends is because it's newer. They wouldn't want to increase the amount of door dings they could accumulate in a crowded parking lot at work or get paint chips when they reach the freeway.



I can see how that changes the overall experience! However, most miata owners opt for the hardtop which usually costs anywhere from 30-100% of what their Miata is worth. It's definitely worth it as it'll make the car's chassis more rigid, reduce cabin sound, increase visibility (compared to the soft-top), increase security (with top locks), increase safety (when you happen to flip over) and it just looks much better than the soft top.

I also know a ton of Miata people without a harness or racing seat. The factory seat is uncomfortable though so most Miata owners opt for the bucket seats. The nice thing about the roll bar or roll cage is that it doesn't change your vehicle's practicality. On other vehicles, you would need to sacrifice the ability to have 3 seats available in the back when you get that roll cage, however, with the Miata, that roll bar increases the chassis's rigidness without being too unpractical.

hardtops dont do anything for the structural integrity and little to the safety of the car but it does help with the noise, security and visibility. for a street car i wouldnt change the seat, belts and add a bar but for the track you will likely have to to pass the tech inspection. since this is in the track section i would imagine thats a serious consideration. miatas just dont make for good dual purpose cars.

[smbstyle]

Former Miata owner here; had a 1990 NA chasis with a 99 engine that I raced in SCCA Super Touring Light. engine was stock, only mods were really suspension (koni yellows/fm springs, sway bars), open exhaust and R-comp tires (NT-01).

Right now the only mods my BRZ has are Hawk DTC-60 pads with Motul fluid and brake cooling, so with just light brake mods, still on stock tires, I'm 3 seconds slower at Sebring than my Miata race car. (2:45 in Miata, 2:48 in BRZ), and I've only driven the BRZ there once. Hoping to match my 2:45 time with the current setup in the BRZ with more seat time.

Miata 2:45 lap:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1TZBleLDs"]Sebring 2:45 Lap in a Miata - YouTube[/ame]


BRZ 2:48 lap:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiOCbmZ3u2E"]Stock BRZ at Sebring - 2:48 Lap - YouTube[/ame]

[Element Tuning]

I've never raced a Miata but I have raced against many. From what I see they are so similar in lap times. Here is me in my oem power FRS with full interior (junk out of trunk) brakes and tires vs. a 140 hp Miata at 2200 lbs.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYTqLQdfwdo&feature=player_embedded#"]Element Tuning FRS/BRZ Cat-Back Delete Summit Point 6-2012 - YouTube[/ame]

Now fast forward to my FRS at Road Atlanta, still full interior (junk out of trunk), +15 hp, brakes, custom BC suspension, and Hankook RS3s I ran a 1:43 which is right there with Spec Miata.

When the mod level extends to turbo and downforce, sorry but the Miata has no chance angainst a car setup like our time attack FRS. With only 320 whp we are setting Grand AM GS pole lap times. I think the bigger chassis and ability to fit wider tires is why the FRS has more potential.

Both appear to be great track cars and I would not pick one vs the other based on lap times since they are so close.

Thanks,
Phil Grabow

[aCab]

The beauty of the miata is it's simplicity and super cheap aftermarket parts that are widespread.

If you're wanting to go fast on a budget, go miata. If you're looking for a fun car to daily drive and track, go for the FRS. Keep in mind typical car payments are about the same as the cost of entry for a track day...every month.

[solidONE]

I owned and loved my 95 Miata R-pkg back in the day. Last time I drove it was back in '99. Drove an xterra and my bike between then and April this year when I purchased my FR-S. so this is not exactly a back-to-back comparo. IMO my MX-5, as I remember it, handled much better than my current FR-S. Even with all it's rattles and shimmies it was also much more fun to drive. I timed myself on this short back road close to where I live both on the roadster and my current car I was able to go faster easily on the miata than the FR-S. although I have since beat my best time on the miata with the FR-S. the miata feels much "tighter" than the loose-ish FR-S, more direct and connected feeling.

Man... I miss that car... Haha On the plus side for the twins is that it is a much more comfortable ride and much prettier in my opinion.

[DChan415]

I have a NB Miata with Eibach pro kits, Bilsteins and sway bars and a stock BRZ. Lap times are the same in both cars but the BRZ gets better gas mileage, is easier to drive and more comfortable.

[regal]

Twins drink premium so the gas mileage is a wash. The cost of ownership win goes to the Miata as so many of them have been built parts costs are much lower and the engines are proven. Over the course of 200k miles the Miata will be much cheaper to own and race.

The 86 gets compared to the Miata but they don't have much in common at all, the FRS is much more like a classic GT coupe (before GT coupes all became heavy weights). I've owned/raced a lot of cars over the years and the car the Toyobaru drives most similar to were my 80's 3 and 6 series BMW's. Doesn't feel at all like a light double wishbone roadster. The twins carry a lot more weight and rigidity compared to the na/nb miatas.

Holy cow look at the difference in chassis flex on the videos posted in this thread.

[ultra]

I had a 1991 NA6 Miata that I found, restored and then modified (chassis bracing, coilovers, header back exhaust, weight savings). Aimed for a mix of style & functionality.

On track it drove fantastic and was extremely fun, consistent and reliable but the GT86 with just tires, coilovers, basic brake upgrades and an alignment is simply faster, equally reliable and more practical while being almost as fun to drive.

I loved my Miata to death (lots of sweat & blood in that car) and always wanted to swap in a 1.8 motor with a turbo, CF hardtop, Tubular arms, bigger tires & better brakes. Would have been in a whole other class power to weight wise but I'm much happier with the GT86 overall.