Question for BRZ and GT-87 hps?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

Too bad I'm still a sucker for this car.

[Gadflyii]

Yeah... me too....

I am really looking forward to driving one.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

Compared to most new cars, $25,000 is pretty damn cheap and I think you are getting appropriate value for the performance money. It's obviously not going to be a stoplight Grand Prix winner but it's going to be an entertaining drive which is the point of the car.

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

As much as I love this car, I really can't disagree with any one of these statements.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

I agree. But I'm going to enjoy the F*** out of this car. It will be an upgrade in performance from my Legacy spec.B. And I think if someone's looking for big numbers, they won't *get* this car and might be better served looking elsewhere.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by suprachica79

As much as I love this car, I really can't disagree with any one of these statements.

Agreed, except for price. As mentioned above $25k for a NEW car isn't a lot of money these days unfortunately. But ya for the rest of the points, it is true the car isn't this or isn't that, but then I don't think any of us interested in it really care.

[Sport-Tech]

Well there is no other car out at a similar price point that has garnered the same universal raves for its handling characteristics, its liveliness, its connection to the road. Not the Mustang, the Mini, the Gen coupe, or the GTI. On that level the value will be there.

High power doesn't interest me all that much, I'd like to have fun driving on the street and still keep my license. I've driven a hi-po muscle car and for me it didn't hold a candle to the comparatively lo-po vintage Porsche my father had - and the latter certainly could not manage the 6 sec 0-60 predicted for the FR-S. The Toyobaru will be more than fast enough for me.

[chate]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

OMFG how dare you say things that are true.

It'll be nice to see comparison videos, I think someone should make a youtube series called "FRS VS..." and just take the FRS (when it finally comes out) and run it compared to similarly priced new and used cars. That would be so much fun!!

[tachi1247]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

well said.

This car needs to have enough power to at least compete with other sports cars around the same price. It will never have or need V8 muscle car power, but it needs enough hp and especially torque so that you can keep up with other similarly priced sports cars (even FWD ones) and the great handling this car possesses will not be enough to close that gap.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

well said.

This car needs to have enough power to at least compete with other sports cars around the same price. It will never have or need V8 muscle car power, but it needs enough hp and especially torque so that you can keep up with other similarly priced sports cars (even FWD ones) and the great handling this car possesses will not be enough to close that gap.

Why do you drive a protege?

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

well said.

This car needs to have enough power to at least compete with other sports cars around the same price. It will never have or need V8 muscle car power, but it needs enough hp and especially torque so that you can keep up with other similarly priced sports cars (even FWD ones) and the great handling this car possesses will not be enough to close that gap.

Why? Where do you "need" that additional horsepower?

[carbonBLUE]

i have 140 lb-ft in my car and it pulls just as hard as my friends mustang and hes got 240 lb-ft , hes got 100 more lb-ft and more hp but is slower than me 0-60 and 0-120 60-120 doesnt matter

the weight difference between my car and his is 800lbs that does mean a lot, 151 should be more than enough to make the car fun,

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Gadflyii

whoa.... careful there bud.. saying anything negative about the car is a risky move...

The people on this forum will generally go all crazy on you, label you a troll, preach how you must not appreciate a true sports car, imply that you have never been on a track, tell you that you are a drag racer, suggest that you would be happier with a Mustang or a Camaro (because if you want more power, you obviously want a large, heavy muscle car!) and immediately start stroking each other's egos to justify there planned purchase if you make note of any of the following:

• 200hp is not a lot of hp
• 151ft. lbs is really not a lot of torque
• 2800lbs is not that light
• 0-60 in 6.0+ is not quick
• 25-28k is not cheap
• Point out that the brz/fr-s is not going to be quick around any circuit.

oh... and use search... a lot...

the 86 posted some nice lap times on a circut

!

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

1:07.4 isnt a bad lap time at all, these are other times from other cars on that same track
car time year power to weight
Lotus Elise 111R 1:07.14 '04 192 / 896
Porsche 911 Carrera RS 1:07.15 '95 300 / 1238
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 1:07.18 '95 285 / 1471
Mitsubishi LancerEvolution III GSR 1:07.35 '95 274 / 1259
Mercedes C 63 AMG 1:07.37 '07 457 / 1772
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR 1:07.38 '98 279 / 1352
BMW M6 1:07.43 '05 507 / 1710
Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:07.45 '06 360 / 1495
Nissan Skyline GT-R R32 V-spec 1:07.45 '93 280 / 1500
Honda Civic Type-R JDM 1:07.49 '07 225 / 1270
BMW M3 Sport Evolutione 1:07.54 0 240 / 1277
Mitsubishi Lancer GSR Evo X 1:07.59 '07 299 / 1626
TVR Tamora 1:07.62 '01 355 / 1060
Porsche Panamera S 1:07.63 '09 400 / 1800
Mitsubishi Lancer RS Evolution II 1:07.63 '94 260 / 1180
Lamborghini Diablo 1:07.66 '95 492 / 1575
Porsche 911 GT3 1:07.68 '99 360 / 1350
Nissan Z33 350Z 35th Anniversary 1:07.71 '05 304 / 1499
Honda S2000 Type S 1:07.72 '07 242 / 1270
Ferrari 456 GT 1:07.74 '92 442 / 1690
Mazda RX-7 RS 1:07.75 '97 280 / 1290
BMW 135i Coupe 1:07.86 '07 306 / 1485
Renault Megane R26.R 1:07.87 110 '08 230 / 1252
Nissan 350Z 1:07.87 '07 313 / 1545
Dodge Viper RT/10 1:07.89 '92 405 / 1488
Honda S2000 1:07.92 '99 239 / 1260