Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Calum

That took some searching.

In the end, that car is still using unichip. UniQ is the software that unichip provides as an interface. Considering that, the comparison is absolutely invalid. I appreciate that you posted as I'd love to finally see a direct comparison between the two kits. But using a piggy back isn't going to give near the flexibility that EcuTek can.

Did you not read my post, 1st test was between the 2 cars using Ecutek SW.
If you prefer it worded Deicious Tuned Sprintex vs Visconti tuned Vortech, Delicious Tuned Sprintex out performed the Visconti Vortech in both power and torque.
Whether guys choose not to believe the test being valid for what ever reason, suggest do the same comparison using same tuner, to ensure better accuracy.
On the test 2, I agree with you that tuning via UniQ would have not been tuned as effective as Ecutek. However Delicious tune is a E tune where as the Vortech was tuned on the dyno by a local tuner.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Did you not read my post, 1st test was between the 2 cars using Ecutek SW.
If you prefer it worded Deicious Tuned Sprintex vs Visconti tuned Vortech, Delicious Tuned Sprintex out performed the Visconti Vortech in both power and torque.
Whether guys choose not to believe the test being valid for what ever reason, suggest do the same comparison using same tuner, to ensure better accuracy.
On the test 2, I agree with you that tuning via UniQ would have not been tuned as effective as Ecutek. However Delicious tune is a E tune where as the Vortech was tuned on the dyno by a local tuner.

I did read your post. And while I have hope that you're right, the lack of evidence of test 1 vs the evidence of every other dyno is hard to ignor. But I wasn't saying test 1 was invalid, I said test 2 is invalid.

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Calum

I did read your post. And while I have hope that you're right, the lack of evidence of test 1 vs the evidence of every other dyno is hard to ignor. But I wasn't saying test 1 was invalid, I said test 2 is invalid.

It is a pity we could not have the graphs overlaid and get a printout. Be as it may, the test 1 was legitimate.
If someone could do the same test in the US of the IC Innovate vs the others would be very interesting, as we are seeing really good power with this kit.

Also interesting to note, each car did 3 runs, Sprintex got highest whp results on run 3 where the Vortech highest WHP on run 1 and dropped after each run.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

It is a pity we could not have the graphs overlaid and get a printout. Be as it may, the test 1 was legitimate.
If someone could do the same test in the US of the IC Innovate vs the others would be very interesting, as we are seeing really good power with this kit.

Also interesting to note, each car did 3 runs, Sprintex got highest whp results on run 3 where the Vortech highest WHP on run 1 and dropped after each run.

Ryan, your test is not exactly a massive pile of proof. There are all sorts of factors, but the biggest is tune. My understanding is that, at higher rpms, a centrifugal supercharger is typically more efficient than a twin screw. This means typically more power. That being said, your test proves that implementation is more important than theoretical.

[Kiske]

Hate to jump in but, still nothing on the upgrades/larger blower option?

[DriftEm]

FYI, I broke my driver side axle. It was making a clicking sound when I would get on power and then off power for about a month. Just a heads up.

[Khorne]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Hate to jump in but, still nothing on the upgrades/larger blower option?

Larger blower (335) you can go buy now, not recommended without a forged engine.

210+ still no idea, have left Mark alone for a week or so so when i ask again ill have some new info, give it a day or two and i'll bug Mark from Sprintex again

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by DriftEm

FYI, I broke my driver side axle. It was making a clicking sound when I would get on power and then off power for about a month. Just a heads up.

Whoa! What were you doing when it broke?

Mine has been clicking for a year.... On off throttle clicking I was told was due to the race pads I have. Maybe not?

Does anyone else have this clicking coming from the rear axle?

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Ryan, your test is not exactly a massive pile of proof. There are all sorts of factors, but the biggest is tune. My understanding is that, at higher rpms, a centrifugal supercharger is typically more efficient than a twin screw. This means typically more power. That being said, your test proves that implementation is more important than theoretical.

There's no massive pile of proof anywhere, but IIRC, we don't have any same-day same-dyno data aside from what he's saying.

You'll need to specify which efficiency you're talking about when you say a centrifugal is more efficient than a twin screw, and you need to be aware that they are VERY close in adiabatic efficiency these days. When we talk efficiency we're splitting hairs. This isn't the old roots vs centri argument, and some twin screws are more efficient than some centrifugals.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Whoa! What were you doing when it broke?

Mine has been clicking for a year.... On off throttle clicking I was told was due to the race pads I have. Maybe not?

Does anyone else have this clicking coming from the rear axle?

mine had a similar click (also seen when parking on a hill, foot on the brake, engage parking brake, foot off brake), you would get the same click as the car slightly rolls forward when you remove your foot from the brake. Replaced the drivers side axle and the click went away.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Sellout

There's no massive pile of proof anywhere, but IIRC, we don't have any same-day same-dyno data aside from what he's saying.

You'll need to specify which efficiency you're talking about when you say a centrifugal is more efficient than a twin screw, and you need to be aware that they are VERY close in adiabatic efficiency these days. When we talk efficiency we're splitting hairs. This isn't the old roots vs centri argument, and some twin screws are more efficient than some centrifugals.

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[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by Sellout

There's no massive pile of proof anywhere, but IIRC, we don't have any same-day same-dyno data aside from what he's saying.

You'll need to specify which efficiency you're talking about when you say a centrifugal is more efficient than a twin screw, and you need to be aware that they are VERY close in adiabatic efficiency these days. When we talk efficiency we're splitting hairs. This isn't the old roots vs centri argument, and some twin screws are more efficient than some centrifugals.

Believe me I ain't trying to start a argument comparing SC, I get that without my dyno chart as visible proof there will still be those that doubt, however this event has been published in a local car magazine and the numbers are published with me taking the the trophy for highest SC. I get a picture to paste.

My point whether I'm a myth buster or not is we are seeing the Sprintex IC kit out performing the Vortech.

Case closed until I say told you so, very soon

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Believe me I ain't trying to start a argument comparing SC, I get that without my dyno chart as visible proof there will still be those that doubt, however this event has been published in a local car magazine and the numbers are published with me taking the the trophy for highest SC. I get a picture to paste.

My point whether I'm a myth buster or not is we are seeing the Sprintex IC kit out performing the Vortech.

Case closed until I say told you so, very soon

Ask your tuner Bill what he thinks of sprintex vs centrifugals. I was talking to him at my last tuning session and he said the centrifugals are able to produce more whp due to their efficiency. He said the twin screw has lots of drag on the motor and probably takes 30-40 whp just to spin it. Hopefully he can chime in.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Ask your tuner Bill what he thinks of sprintex vs centrifugals. I was talking to him at my last tuning session and he said the centrifugals are able to produce more whp due to their efficiency. He said the twin screw has lots of drag on the motor and probably takes 30-40 whp just to spin it. Hopefully he can chime in.

Well, Bill IS running the Sprintex/innovate kit. That says a lot, IMHO.