Which header to BUY!!!!

[FastLane1000]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Stock FRS,......that's absolutely hilarious I guess you don't know my car very well,...performance wise there maybe one or two in the country that have as much strictly performance power mods on the FRS/BRZ platform than I do, ,.... Crawford or Accelerated Performance may have more into there cars,..maybe,..there will be others as time passes and I may have missed a few ..but I do believe I went forged with an engine build before both of them... that's about it as far as I know making the power I am and the supporting mods to back it up ,I even just went to Dons fuel system converting returnless to a return FI system with pressure regulater and which is necessary at 22 psi of boost...don't think he even advertises this kit yet......I'm also the test bunny for Full Blowns billet fuel rails,...only one in the country running them.....but my OEM headers are stock and catless....go ahead and waste your money,....that's what capitalism is all about. My local shop dynode a Frs and his pulls were way below the 15 other stock FRS's dynod,.... they thought something was wrong with his car so we put all my OEM stuff on his car as he bought into the hype and then got rid of everything except the stock headers,.... first to go back to the dealer to see what was wrong with it as they wouldn't touch it not stock (warrantee work),....second to see what his pull would be stock at the shop,....well folks he gained back both WHP and torque he lost going with a well named brand header and catback that I see a lot of guys on this forum running,...he is now in the top tier of the stock FRS's tested ,...the header and pipe will remain nameless, but I assure you its a well known brand.....I have 30k in my build all performance orientative, no fluff or exterior show and no go parts,.... You all seem to want to go to pipes just for a sound,... not carrying what numbers you end up with, don't fall for the overinflated hp gains/shop claims... Hard to be a troll with 241 posts and 167 thanks,....you don't seem to observant about things. I may eventually go aftermarket on the headers, but not right now,....there's to many shops blowing smoke about them with false numbers to get on the after market frenzy this car created , I could give a crap about what they sound like. Just give me the truth on the gains,....I don't think its there yet,...but hell go ahead sound loud,...look fast....and have SUV's Camry's and Pickup trucks blow you away at stoplights.

I agree throwing parts at a car and expecting a certain result can leave you dissappointed but the right parts combined with a tune can yield impressive results. This has been seen over and over again on this forum. It has also been seen that certain exhaust components help more than others. Some intakes have only hurt performance and throttle response. A little more credibility might be given to your post if you mentioned the header brand which has remained "nameless". Personally, I can't wait for my FA20Club header which should be here Monday.

[stevo_12v]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

If that were the case, none of the aftermarket companies would be able to hold a candle to what they would produce. Unfortunately this is far from the way it works today.

I wonder what kind of power TRD was able to achieve with the headers on the TRD Griffon car now that you mention it.


[ame]http://youtu.be/ZFIksPFOJL8[/ame]


This video(below) on the comment section mentions the setup:
"The amazing thing is that this engine is stock, the only modifications were a TRD-RACE- Exhaust-Manifold, 1st-CAT has been deleted, 2nd-CAT has been replaced by a TRD-RACE-CAT and a TRD-RACE-CATBACK-System!!!"


[ame]http://youtu.be/iGFHgbe0Epw[/ame]

Originally Posted by FastLane1000

A little more credibility might be given to your post if you mentioned the header brand which has remained "nameless". Personally, I can't wait for my FA20Club header which should be here Monday.

I hope the header brand he is referring to is a 3 letter Japanese brand starting with "H".. or at least "T"

[enjoi23]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Stock FRS,......that's absolutely hilarious I guess you don't know my car very well,...performance wise there maybe one or two in the country that have as much strictly performance power mods on the FRS/BRZ platform than I do, ,.... Crawford or Accelerated Performance may have more into there cars,..maybe,..there will be others as time passes and I may have missed a few ..but I do believe I went forged with an engine build before both of them... that's about it as far as I know making the power I am and the supporting mods to back it up ,I even just went to Dons fuel system converting returnless to a return FI system with pressure regulater and which is necessary at 22 psi of boost...don't think he even advertises this kit yet......I'm also the test bunny for Full Blowns billet fuel rails,...only one in the country running them.....but my OEM headers are stock and catless....go ahead and waste your money,....that's what capitalism is all about. My local shop dynode a Frs and his pulls were way below the 15 other stock FRS's dynod,.... they thought something was wrong with his car so we put all my OEM stuff on his car as he bought into the hype and then got rid of everything except the stock headers,.... first to go back to the dealer to see what was wrong with it as they wouldn't touch it not stock (warrantee work),....second to see what his pull would be stock at the shop,....well folks he gained back both WHP and torque he lost going with a well named brand header and catback that I see a lot of guys on this forum running,...he is now in the top tier of the stock FRS's tested ,...the header and pipe will remain nameless, but I assure you its a well known brand.....I have 30k in my build all performance orientative, no fluff or exterior show and no go parts,.... You all seem to want to go to pipes just for a sound,... not carrying what numbers you end up with, don't fall for the overinflated hp gains/shop claims... Hard to be a troll with 241 posts and 167 thanks,....you don't seem to observant about things. I may eventually go aftermarket on the headers, but not right now,....there's to many shops blowing smoke about them with false numbers to get on the after market frenzy this car created , I could give a crap about what they sound like. Just give me the truth on the gains,....I don't think its there yet,...but hell go ahead sound loud,...look fast....and have SUV's Camry's and Pickup trucks blow you away at stoplights.

You Spent 30K Into Your Car And you're Still Running Stock Headers?

[SloS14]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Stock FRS,......that's absolutely hilarious I guess you don't know my car very well,...performance wise there maybe one or two in the country that have as much strictly performance power mods on the FRS/BRZ platform than I do, ,.... Crawford or Accelerated Performance may have more into there cars,..maybe,..there will be others as time passes and I may have missed a few ..but I do believe I went forged with an engine build before both of them... that's about it as far as I know making the power I am and the supporting mods to back it up ,I even just went to Dons fuel system converting returnless to a return FI system with pressure regulater and which is necessary at 22 psi of boost...don't think he even advertises this kit yet......I'm also the test bunny for Full Blowns billet fuel rails,...only one in the country running them.....but my OEM headers are stock and catless....go ahead and waste your money,....that's what capitalism is all about. My local shop dynode a Frs and his pulls were way below the 15 other stock FRS's dynod,.... they thought something was wrong with his car so we put all my OEM stuff on his car as he bought into the hype and then got rid of everything except the stock headers,.... first to go back to the dealer to see what was wrong with it as they wouldn't touch it not stock (warrantee work),....second to see what his pull would be stock at the shop,....well folks he gained back both WHP and torque he lost going with a well named brand header and catback that I see a lot of guys on this forum running,...he is now in the top tier of the stock FRS's tested ,...the header and pipe will remain nameless, but I assure you its a well known brand.....I have 30k in my build all performance orientative, no fluff or exterior show and no go parts,.... You all seem to want to go to pipes just for a sound,... not carrying what numbers you end up with, don't fall for the overinflated hp gains/shop claims... Hard to be a troll with 241 posts and 167 thanks,....you don't seem to observant about things. I may eventually go aftermarket on the headers, but not right now,....there's to many shops blowing smoke about them with false numbers to get on the after market frenzy this car created , I could give a crap about what they sound like. Just give me the truth on the gains,....I don't think its there yet,...but hell go ahead sound loud,...look fast....and have SUV's Camry's and Pickup trucks blow you away at stoplights.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by SloS14

Touche !,.....very good,....ok point noted,....just trying to help and explain were I'm at with my car and sharing.

[ramiram1984]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Touche !,.....very good,....ok point noted,....just trying to help and explain were I'm at with my car and sharing.

I'm no big deal

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by enjoi23

You Spent 30K Into Your Car And you're Still Running Stock Headers?

Yes,....but catless front and back.

[cf6mech]

Guess I'm stepping on toes from some who may have already bought header back systems,....good luck with you all,...

[StormTrooper]

Yes and I'm Santa Claus the easter bunny and Carol Shelby on the internet.

Anyone can make up some line of bs. I'm glad you found a hobby out of trolling forums but don't make baseless claims and expect people to believe you.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

Yes and I'm Santa Claus the easter bunny and Carol Shelby on the internet.

Anyone can make up some line of bs. I'm glad you found a hobby out of trolling forums but don't make baseless claims and expect people to believe you.

Just sharing my experience from what I saw on my local tuners Dyno.....headers and exhaust removed, OEM replaced.....20 whp gained. StormTrooper call AWD Tuning in Texas and come back and repost. And you sir, whats your skin in the game?,...are you trolling to find trollers? 20Firestorm13 you want to step in now?

'' YOU STAY CLASSY SAN DIEGO ''

[FR-S Matt]

I'd like to see your proof of this bullshit you're coughing up.

[regal]

Originally Posted by GeorgeJFrick

This has turned out pretty good for being trolled early on :-)

Entire Exhaust Considerations:
0. Weight Saving (little to none?)
1. UEL Vs EL
2. Cat Vs. Cat Delete, complicated because there are two cats here and you could delete one or either.... so really,
2. Full Cat Vs. Front Cat Vs. Rear Cat Vs. Cat Delete
3. Straight Vs Dual Exit Exhaust (not sure here)
4. Don't forget wide band sensor. (and placement)
5. Brand / Research
6. 2.5" Vs. 3" (NA Vs. FI)
6. FI or not. This is bigger than gets discussed I think, leading to the type of confusion going on here. I'm under the impression now that a new header isn't necessarily going to mean gains in torque or hp. What it can mean is:
6A. Keeping things properly cooled in a FI setup.
6B. Allowing proper through-put in an FI setup.
6C. Extending life of engine.
7. ECU Considerations; will you leave it alone or
7A. Piggy Back Vs. Replace Vs. Flash

Which would mean choosing a header based on your goal; and having to consider a lot of variables. Sounds easy to end up with no gains or even a loss as mentioned.

Is there other stuff going on here that I probably wouldn't know as a noob?

6C is an important consideration, getting rid of those cats so close to the heads is only going to extend engine life.

I think the gains people are seeing with header+tune is largly from getting rid of those cats. I don't know how CF6 got rid of the cats without an aftermarket header, but what he is saying makes some sense to me. Seems like the cheapest way to lose those cats is a Borla UEL for those of us without a welder.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

I'd like to see your proof of this bullshit you're coughing up.

Call them for proof,..since I'm a bullshitter ,... AWDTUNING 469-277-3001, they are in Texas,...most noted and reputable Subaru tuners in the area.......talk to Keith or Mary,...thought it very odd myself,...specially the big name behind it.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by regal

6C is an important consideration, getting rid of those cats so close to the heads is only going to extend engine life.

I think the gains people are seeing with header+tune is largly from getting rid of those cats. I don't know how CF6 got rid of the cats without an aftermarket header, but what he is saying makes some sense to me. Seems like the cheapest way to lose those cats is a Borla UEL for those of us without a welder.

Long story short, his cat died early and blew his turbo out (early accelerated kit with lower mount position). He kept th now catless stock header.