Conceal Carry and HandGun Thread

[Muaddib]

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."



My trunk gun at work.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by Muaddib

I apologize for my fellow idiotic Canadian. Not all of us are gun hating idiots like him. Now back to the topic. People carry because you cannot carry a cop with you.

Maybe if they ate fewer donuts, one could...

J.K. (I generally like cops... except if they pull me over )

[FLYFISHR]

Originally Posted by Muaddib

I apologize for my fellow idiotic Canadian. Not all of us are gun hating idiots like him. Now back to the topic. People carry because you cannot carry a cop with you.

Do not apologize for me. While I have many American friends whose company I enjoy I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am to my greatgrandfather who immigrated from Arkansas to Alberta more than a century ago so that I can proudly call myself a Canadian and can live without the fear that any nut case can so freely get a gun. That's not to say our nut cases can't get a gun but it's a lot more difficult for them to do so. They can't break into just any house on the street to steal a gun.

[UltraFRS]

Originally Posted by psyclone07

I'll have to look into the technaclip!!

I usually carry in my jacket chest pocket (LCP). I have carried with one in the chamber with no issues previously, but am getting into the habit of not carrying with one in the chamber anymore.

I have the technaclip, but don't really use it. Here's my Remora holster for the LCP and it works good for IWB or for a cargo pocket in shorts or jacket.

[codesplice]

^^ I've got a Remora for my Glock 26 and I'm super-pleased. Great comfort, great concealment, good retention. Mine doesn't have the pocket for a spare mag though - I might need to look into that.

I used to carry every day, but now have a job on an Army base and thus can't. It's on for weekends though!

[UltraFRS]

Originally Posted by codesplice

^^ I've got a Remora for my Glock 26 and I'm super-pleased. Great comfort, great concealment, good retention. Mine doesn't have the pocket for a spare mag though - I might need to look into that.

I used to carry every day, but now have a job on an Army base and thus can't. It's on for weekends though!

I got the mag holder one because it fits in my cargo pocket better during summer. It sits in my pocket perfectly all day long no matter what I'm doing. And I've got a custom kydex holster for my Glock 26.

[SirBrass]

I'm a galco kind of person, so that's where my main holsters are from.

For my V-Bob Commander, I've got a Galco V-Hawk IWB and a Galco Concealment OWB, as well as a 1911 commander shell for my Comptac M-TAC holster (that is my main IWB holster for my S&W M&P357c). For my Sig P938, I've got a Galco ankle holster and pocket holster.

For my S&W M&P357c, I've got the CompTac M-TAC for the IWB and an Aker open top OWB holster.

For belts (arguably more important than the holster, actually): I've got two: a size 32 CompTac kydex reinforced belt for OWB carry, and a size 34 CompTac kydex reinforced belt for IWB. Both are black with nickel buckles. They work great for casual, dressy, and full-on black tie wear, and are the most rugged belts outside of nylon instructor belts that I've ever had. Even if I didn't daily carry, I'd use these belts.

[codesplice]

I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but have any of you tried any holsters from CrossBreed? I've got a Supertuck Deluxe for my other carry (S&W 40VE) that I also really like. And a heavy-duty gun belt also from CrossBreed that I wear every day.

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[RFB]

Originally Posted by FLYFISHR

Do not apologize for me. While I have many American friends whose company I enjoy I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am to my greatgrandfather who immigrated from Arkansas to Alberta more than a century ago so that I can proudly call myself a Canadian and can live without the fear that any nut case can so freely get a gun. That's not to say our nut cases can't get a gun but it's a lot more difficult for them to do so. They can't break into just any house on the street to steal a gun.

Sorry, I cant see the logic -

What facts do you have to support your opinion that it is more difficult in Canada to get a gun than in the U.S. thus causing you to live without fear?

Please enlighten me -

[FLYFISHR]

Originally Posted by RFB

Sorry, I cant see the logic -

What facts do you have to support your opinion that it is more difficult in Canada to get a gun than in the U.S. thus causing you to live without fear?

Please enlighten me -

My opinion (and it is just my opinion) is based on the assumption that very few Canadian households have a firearms (hand guns) in them compared to the number to be found in American households. So if a thief breaks into an American home there is a far greater likely hood they will find a firearm that they then claim as their own. This opinion was formed at a sporting banquet I attended in New York State while we were discussing a local news report about how an escaped juvenile got a gun and killed a clerk when he robbed a store. The looks and answer I got from everyone when I asked how did he know which house to break into to find a gun shocked me. Do you believe Canadian individuals own as many firearms per capita as our American neighbors?

[RFB]

Originally Posted by FLYFISHR

My opinion (and it is just my opinion) is based on the assumption that very few Canadian households have a firearms (hand guns) in them compared to the number to be found in American households. So if a thief breaks into an American home there is a far greater likely hood they will find a firearm that they then claim as their own. This opinion was formed at a sporting banquet I attended in New York State while we were discussing a local news report about how an escaped juvenile got a gun and killed a clerk when he robbed a store. The looks and answer I got from everyone when I asked how did he know which house to break into to find a gun shocked me. Do you believe Canadian individuals own as many firearms per capita as our American neighbors?

My post is not about propoganda, emotion or politics, but about facts, free of media distortion.

An opinion based on an assumption based on one exposure at a sporting banquet as opposed to -

Legitimate scientific statistical studies, ongoing for many years, by the likes of Professor Gary Mauser at the Fraser Institute, and Professor John Lott in the states, other scientists, as well as individual American state governments, they ALL would disagree with you.

They have all come to the same conclusion, opposite to your opinion.

The statistical studies have shown consistently that a home with armed occupants is safer than an unarmed home since the criminals want an easy target - they don't want to get shot.

Americans are legally allowed to protect their homes with loaded guns - but not in Canada where it is a criminal offence to have an unlocked firearm(gun safe, trigger lock etc.) let alone a LOADED gun (mandatory 5 years in federal penitentiary).

The very few citizen carry (open and concealed) states (Florida, Arizona), years ago showed much lower crime rates and as a result other states saw the cash savings (penal system,courts victimization etc.) and started an avalanche of jumping on the bandwagon to allow concealed carry. Now carry law states vastly outnumber the non carry states.

The yankee areas (Chicago etc.), with the strictest gun control laws have the highest gun and general violence crime stats in the country.

This is not rabid emotional opinion but honest scientific and even government statistics from both the U.S. and Canada.

Honest law abiding Canadian gun owners obey the law - they are strictly examined and licenced by the government - they are not the problem.

Criminals do not obey the law and they can easily buy an illegal gun on ANY major street corner in any Canadian city or town.

Unfortunately it is illegal for Canadians to defend themselves with a firearm (refer to the recent Ian Thomson case in Welland and many others).

You should also be aware that our government abolished our gun registration program not to appease gun owners but because a clerk at Mirimichi (the office that kept the registry) was a girlfriend of a Hells Angel and she copied and pasted all the guns , owners , and adresses in all Canada and gave it to her boyfriend, and the H.A. now sells that info to any Canadian goblin that wants to do a B+E to out fit themselves for gang banging.

I ask you do you feel safer in an American home that is armed and DEFENDED or in an unarmed Canadian home where the shithead knows there is defenceless prey ?

Thats why Canada has an army.

Knowledge is power.



CERBERUS

[FLYFISHR]

Originally Posted by RFB

I ask you do you feel safer in an American home that is armed and DEFENDED or in an unarmed Canadian home where the shithead knows there is defenceless prey ?
CERBERUS

I feel safer here in my country because not everyone has a gun. Even more so now that I know that the HA's won't be coming to my house any time soon as the only thing I have worth stealing is my BRZed.

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by Muaddib

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Let's put a little context into that often cited quote, shall we?

The "Those" that Franklin is referring to is the Penn Family, which owned quite a bit of land back in that day. The "give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety" refers to the Penn Families' right to more or less spend their money how they like. In this case, to NOT to spend it on a tax because of a possible land tax that they've been spending money to fight, hence the "liberty" to buy what they want and the "purchase" to buy politicians. Now if you're aware of what was going on at the time, you'd know that the French and Native Americans weren't exactly being good neighbors so to speak, and frankly, neither were we. So anyways, "deserve neither liberty nor safety" refers to the Penn Family not deserving the freedom to do what they want with their money nor the protection of the state if they're not willing to kick in their share.

Seemingly pithy quotes are a little bit different when they're put back in context, eh?

Oh and nothing political here because it's history!

[AznBRZer]

Oh man, this is a mess to untangle...

Originally Posted by RFB

My post is not about propoganda, emotion or politics, but about facts, free of media distortion.

An opinion based on an assumption based on one exposure at a sporting banquet as opposed to -

Legitimate scientific statistical studies, ongoing for many years, by the likes of Professor Gary Mauser at the Fraser Institute, and Professor John Lott in the states, other scientists, as well as individual American state governments, they ALL would disagree with you.

They have all come to the same conclusion, opposite to your opinion.

Maybe you shouldn't open with stating your lack of bias in one paragraph and then lazily cite a conservative/right wing think tank. It's a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority."

Citing that think tank is inherently political when their research is steeped in ideology.

The statistical studies have shown consistently that a home with armed occupants is safer than an unarmed home since the criminals want an easy target - they don't want to get shot.

Americans are legally allowed to protect their homes with loaded guns - but not in Canada where it is a criminal offence to have an unlocked firearm(gun safe, trigger lock etc.) let alone a LOADED gun (mandatory 5 years in federal penitentiary).

The very few citizen carry (open and concealed) states (Florida, Arizona), years ago showed much lower crime rates and as a result other states saw the cash savings (penal system,courts victimization etc.) and started an avalanche of jumping on the bandwagon to allow concealed carry. Now carry law states vastly outnumber the non carry states.

I have to ask and it's a serious question: Do you understand statistics and how it works? Cause it's like selection bias all up in this mofo.

The yankee areas (Chicago etc.), with the strictest gun control laws have the highest gun and general violence crime stats in the country.

I love it when people bring up Chicago. The guns used in crimes in Chicago actually come from the surrounding towns with less stringent gun restrictions that were legally purchased. I'm pretty sure that home burglaries that involve the theft of a firearm isn't at epidemic proportions, but straw purchasing IS a problem.

This is not rabid emotional opinion but honest scientific and even government statistics from both the U.S. and Canada.

Government statistics is raw data and doesn't give any context. What!=Why

Honest law abiding Canadian gun owners obey the law - they are strictly examined and licenced by the government - they are not the problem.

Criminals do not obey the law and they can easily buy an illegal gun on ANY major street corner in any Canadian city or town.

Illegal guns ALWAYS come from somewhere legal.

Unfortunately it is illegal for Canadians to defend themselves with a firearm (refer to the recent Ian Thomson case in Welland and many others).

Ian Thomson was charged with improper storage of firearms with ammo and firing warning shots. As a firearm instructor, he should know better than any layman in regards to the laws about firearm storage and discharge. Personally, I think that he was justified in defending himself, but I strongly disagree with how he went about it, but my opinion isn't law.

You should also be aware that our government abolished our gun registration program not to appease gun owners but because a clerk at Mirimichi (the office that kept the registry) was a girlfriend of a Hells Angel and she copied and pasted all the guns , owners , and adresses in all Canada and gave it to her boyfriend, and the H.A. now sells that info to any Canadian goblin that wants to do a B+E to out fit themselves for gang banging.

Citation needed.

I ask you do you feel safer in an American home that is armed and DEFENDED or in an unarmed Canadian home where the shithead knows there is defenceless prey ?

Burglaries are far more common than robberies because it's easier to steal shit when nobody's home.

As a child, my home was robbed twice and burglarized twice. There were no guns in the home and they would not have made a lick of difference.

Thats why Canada has an army.

For when the US decides to try and invade Canada again?

That's a joke btw.