SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by chucky12012

Like I said, I see nothing with regard to the TRD springs or sways on the FR-S build page. Maybe you could provide a screenshot or something showing what you are referring to? I only see them listed under accessories along with all of the other dealer installed accessories like the attached image. The MSRP language for the TRD springs refers to it as a dealer installed option. I just don't see how you would consider this legal prep and you've provided nothing to even support your statements. If you can show that backup, then great.

The first sentence of the description. It says, "MSRP excludes tax." The second sentence defines the listed MSRP as installed by the manufacturer. This generally means port option.

Put your mouse over the brake pads. It will say, "MSRP excludes tax and installation." This means the listed price does NOT include install, thus it is a dealer option.

You do not pay separate installation charges for port options. You generally pay installation for dealer options.

The only exception in the list to my explaination is the 18" wheels. Their description indicates port option. My dealer confirmed they are not port option and that items description is misleading because the tires are not part of the pricing in the package. Dealer will charge extra and only sell as wheel tire package which would generally cost about $2400.

Go research on your own and ask your dealer or Scion direct.
I'm not trying to convince you I am right.

If I can ask the manufacturer and their sales dealers to confirm of the TRD sway bar and spring package was available in their ordering system as a port option and they both say YES, my next focus is on gathering documentation needed per SCCA guidelines.

My focus from now is on documentation, not verification. I'm past that.

[xwd]

I called a local Scion dealer up the street and the springs and swaybars are new options for the 2015, the website doesn't have performance parts as build options. Previously you could get the air filter or intake, but it looks like no one really looked into that one.

According to the guy I talked to, who didn't sound like a complete idiot, they are port installed options and the car is delivered to them with everything installed. Like simpleasbest said, dealer installed options usually have a disclaimer you may get charged more because the dealer WILL charge you to install them unless you negotiate it into the price of the vehicle. You can get them as just normal parts and have the dealer install them as well, it's the same spring and swaybar kit as has existed the last couple years. However, that would not be CS legal, you would have to prove you ordered the car with the parts on it.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by dwx

However, that would not be CS legal, you would have to prove you ordered the car with the parts on it.

Correction: You only need to prove you CAN order the car with the parts. Perfectly legal to add the actual parts after yourself. Just go look up DS Mini S with JCW suspension or Corvettes with Z51 package. As long as the part was available for your make/model/year car as a Standard Part, you can run it. In our case its not a full trim conversion, just seperate line item optional parts.

[MaxRED13]

This all sounds like great info. There is another thread that documents he spring rates that people have gathered and that one showed the TRD springs as 3.5k/5.8k. Are those the Japan only TRD springs versus what we get here as the USDM TRD springs?


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8739

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[xwd]

Originally Posted by simpleisbest

Correction: You only need to prove you CAN order the car with the parts. Perfectly legal to add the actual parts after yourself. Just go look up DS Mini S with JCW suspension or Corvettes with Z51 package. As long as the part was available for your make/model/year car as a Standard Part, you can run it. In our case its not a full trim conversion, just seperate line item optional parts.

Yeah I kind of met for people with 2013/2014. The springs/swaybars are specifically NOT in the orderable options for those years.

The one sticky point I see is these are not Scion parts in any way, they are TRD parts and TRD manufactures them. I could see a "clarification" disallowing the use of them, but who knows.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah I kind of met for people with 2013/2014. The springs/swaybars are specifically NOT in the orderable options for those years.

The one sticky point I see is these are not Scion parts in any way, they are TRD parts and TRD manufactures them. I could see a "clarification" disallowing the use of them, but who knows.

Screen print outs I have from the Scion Accessories Sales Guide say otherwise. Also, regardless of "brand", both kits have Toyota/Scion part numbers. Those part numbers are listed as port options in the Scion Assessories Sales Guide as valid port options (PPO is manufacturer speak for Post Production Options, which are clearly NOT dealer options) for all 3 model years of production to date.

Also, the part numbers are clearly labeled on the parts.

[xwd]

There has been some talk lately regarding this stuff since the last Fastrack there is an item to make all "Porsche Exclusive" parts legal for stock. Porsche is very ambiguous about what all is included under that label, it could almost mean anything because as long as someone pays Porsche enough they will do just about anything under that label.

One proposal was to add a rule so no option accessories could be used not allowed to be changed under other street class rules. I would be in favor of that.

[simpleisbest]

Originally Posted by dwx

One proposal was to add a rule so no option accessories could be used not allowed to be changed under other street class rules. I would be in favor of that.

Good luck with that. It's too wide spread with almost all the Miatas in ES with R package conversions and Hard S packages, HS/DS Minis with JCW suspension parts, and Corvettes with Z51 packages.

[xwd]

Package conversion isn't really the same thing. I think it will have traction to be honest and after the whole Porsche Exclusive thing in the April Fastrack.

[MPot]

Originally Posted by dwx

Yeah I kind of met for people with 2013/2014. The springs/swaybars are specifically NOT in the orderable options for those years.

When I go to the Scion site, it gives me the option of building a 2014 or a 2015. The TRD Springs and Bars are available for both years.
The one interesting thing is if I select the Cold Air Intake, a pop-up says that it is a Dealer installed option.
I have a 2013, so I might be SOL anyway.
Mike

[xwd]

Originally Posted by MPot

When I go to the Scion site, it gives me the option of building a 2014 or a 2015. The TRD Springs and Bars are available for both years.
The one interesting thing is if I select the Cold Air Intake, a pop-up says that it is a Dealer installed option.
I have a 2013, so I might be SOL anyway.
Mike

I was just looking at a dealer accessory list. I thought I had saved a PDF of it but I couldn't but this is a list of them for all of Scion's cars. The publish date is 3/21/2015.


http://www.scionchulavista.com/scion...sories-pricing

[MaxRED13]

Does any one have any additional methods of proof we can use. It would be great to have something beyond the port order form to show at national level events. There's just so many 86 drivers in the San Diego area.

[MaxRED13]

Originally Posted by dwx

I was just looking at a dealer accessory list. I thought I had saved a PDF of it but I couldn't but this is a list of them for all of Scion's cars. The publish date is 3/21/2015.


http://www.scionchulavista.com/scion...sories-pricing

That makes it look like it's only a 2015 option or am I wrong?

[Cueman]

I dunno guys. Do we actually want this? If the springs are legal then aren't the TRD 18 7.5J +35 offset wheels legal, and the upsize rear sway bar legal? That would make a monstrous Hotchkis bar work a lot better too...

And then the FRS seems like a serious overdog in CS... A situation that wouldn't last long just based on the unbalance between it and the BRZ.

That said, I'm going to go buy all that and a short shifter on Monday. I knew buying a brand new car was worth it...