Just laid down a deposit and...

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by Dark

It doesn't work that way though. They still make sure to maximize the profit. Fortunately for some people, Scion use pure pricing, so there is no mark up or anything.

Pure Pricing by design allows dealers to set whatever price they want. It's right there in black and white in the Pure Pricing policy.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Pure Pricing by design allows dealers to set whatever price they want. It's right there in black and white in the Pure Pricing policy.

Right. Let's not confuse Pure Pricing for "no mark-up." Pure Pricing just eliminates the negotiating process (which some folks, like myself, prefer to avoid). It's still a money-maker for the dealer...

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

It seems really odd to me that people are actually putting down a deposit and pre-ordering a car they have not driven, and don't even know what the purchase price is going to be.

I know that the reviews have been positive and I'm optimistic that I'm probably going to get one of these cars, but I'm still going to try everything else that is currently available. After you test drive a FRS/BRZ, you should hop around to the other dealers to try a Mazda MX-5 retractable hard top, RX8, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe's with the new engines, a WRX, ect. Your selling yourself short if you don't try the other cars that you can buy with your money.

In my opinion the only vehicle here that is remotely comparable in your list to the FR-S is the MX-5. The RX8 is a rotary and heavier (no! I am not saying there is any thing wrong with an RX-8, just not comparable), the Hyundai is a barge at 1,530 kg for the 3.8 Manual. WRX? If you are considering a WRX you have totally missed the point of the FR-S.

I am quite content to purchase this car based on the reviews I have read. The car does not have to be perfect for me to enjoy driving it.

Regards,

[Scottyscooter]

It seems that I caused a bit of a stir and people had fun dissecting the short list that I threw out there, but those people are missing the point entirely. I wasn't trying to list specific cars that I thought were better than the FRS, I was just throwing out a few sporty cars that are priced around the estimated FRS price.

If you have $28k to spend on a sports car you owe it to yourself to test drive every sports car in that price range. I feel like there is a 90% chance that I am going to end up getting a FRS or BRZ this spring, but I'm sure as hell going to drive everything else before I give any dealership my money. Who knows, maybe I'll surprise myself end end up getting an MX-5 or something instead? Life has a way of surprising you like that. Committing to a FRS or BRZ before you even get behind the wheel of one is just being a fanboy. I'm sorry, but you have to be pretty stupid to buy a car simply because of automaker hype and positive magazine reviews. Get out there and test drive this thing first, people!

It sounds like the small down-payment that most are putting on this car is refundable, and people are planning on checking everything out before actually buying the car. I don't see much harm in it if there is no real commitment, so I'm relieved to hear that.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

I wasn't trying to list specific cars that I thought were better than the FRS,

So if these cars aren't better why would someone consider them?

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

I'm sorry, but you have to be pretty stupid to buy a car simply because of automaker hype and positive magazine reviews.

So you just called me stupid did you?
In my opinion (did you read that? "MY" not yours, mine) everything I have read about this car ticks all the boxes for me. There is NO other car, at this price point, that meets MY requirements.

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

The car does not have to be perfect for me to enjoy driving it.

[Tbxgz]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

If you have $28k to spend on a sports car you owe it to yourself to test drive every sports car in that price range. I feel like there is a 90% chance that I am going to end up getting a FRS or BRZ this spring, but I'm sure as hell going to drive everything else before I give any dealership my money. Who knows, maybe I'll surprise myself end end up getting an MX-5 or something instead? Life has a way of surprising you like that. Committing to a FRS or BRZ before you even get behind the wheel of one is just being a fanboy. I'm sorry, but you have to be pretty stupid to buy a car simply because of automaker hype and positive magazine reviews. Get out there and test drive this thing first, people!

It sounds like the small down-payment that most are putting on this car is refundable, and people are planning on checking everything out before actually buying the car. I don't see much harm in it if there is no real commitment, so I'm relieved to hear that.

Also, keep in mind the demand will be extremely high for these cars. Rumor has it, each dealership is only going to get 1-2 BRZs a month. I've been shopping for a new car since last spring; test driving, researching yadaydaydaa but I put a deposit down to insure the BRZ is an option. If you want a BRZ, that 90% chance you referred to is more like 10% without a spot in the line.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

I am going to end up getting a FRS or BRZ this spring, but I'm sure as hell going to drive everything else before I give any dealership my money.

I'm sure as hell you're not going to get to drive a BRZ/FR-S this spring. Cause everything dealers get will go to people who put down a deposit, and I'm almost certain they won't let anyone else test-drive those.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

I'm sure as hell you're not going to get to drive a BRZ/FR-S this spring. Cause everything dealers get will go to people who put down a deposit, and I'm almost certain they won't let anyone else test-drive those.

Dsgerbc, fancy meeting you here bikerbob951.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Scottyscooter

It seems that I caused a bit of a stir and people had fun dissecting the short list that I threw out there, but those people are missing the point entirely. I wasn't trying to list specific cars that I thought were better than the FRS, I was just throwing out a few sporty cars that are priced around the estimated FRS price.

If you have $28k to spend on a sports car you owe it to yourself to test drive every sports car in that price range. I feel like there is a 90% chance that I am going to end up getting a FRS or BRZ this spring, but I'm sure as hell going to drive everything else before I give any dealership my money. Who knows, maybe I'll surprise myself end end up getting an MX-5 or something instead? Life has a way of surprising you like that. Committing to a FRS or BRZ before you even get behind the wheel of one is just being a fanboy. I'm sorry, but you have to be pretty stupid to buy a car simply because of automaker hype and positive magazine reviews. Get out there and test drive this thing first, people!

It sounds like the small down-payment that most are putting on this car is refundable, and people are planning on checking everything out before actually buying the car. I don't see much harm in it if there is no real commitment, so I'm relieved to hear that.

If you are 90% sure you are getting a BRZ/FRS then you should go put down a deposit ASAP. There are only going to be a limited number of these things, so for 5-6 months after launch you will not be able to buy one without a long wait. If you want to get it in the spring, you'll need to be on the preorder list. I don't see the downside because you can still test drive it and if you decide you don't want it you get your $500 back. If you don't get on a list soon I don't think you'll be able to get near one until fall at least.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Bob

Dsgerbc, fancy meeting you here bikerbob951.

Oh, hai! lol.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Pure Pricing by design allows dealers to set whatever price they want. It's right there in black and white in the Pure Pricing policy.

I'm not sure how Scion's pure pricing works, but I doubt dealerships would set it above the MSRP price. There are at least 3 Toyota/Scion Dealerships 25mile radius of my house.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

In my opinion the only vehicle here that is remotely comparable in your list to the FR-S is the MX-5. The RX8 is a rotary and heavier (no! I am not saying there is any thing wrong with an RX-8, just not comparable), the Hyundai is a barge at 1,530 kg for the 3.8 Manual. WRX? If you are considering a WRX you have totally missed the point of the FR-S.

I am quite content to purchase this car based on the reviews I have read. The car does not have to be perfect for me to enjoy driving it.

Regards,

Rant on....

Why are people still comparing the MX-5 to the FR-S? The MX-5 is a 2 seat smallest roadster! Nothing like the FR-S. Actually there is nothing like the FR-S but the BRZ. And why would anybody buy the current MX-5 when a brand new design is coming in 2013? Same thing with the WRX. New hopefully better design next year. Sure they can screw them up, but I doubt it. They will have more power and lighter weight....maybe..

The RX8 has been discontinued, nobody wants that car anymore. Mazda just needs to fix the rotary problems and come out with a twin turbo RX7 or get into the game and come out with a FR-S competitor. I always forget than Mazda knows how to make a real sports car. Just make a coupe off of the new upcoming MX-5 chassis.

People only looking at the Genesis coupe because of the similar pricing...but damn that car is big compared to the FRS\BRZ. It's almost camaro size! Hyundai will fix this in the next generation of the Genny Coupe.

Rant off...

Glad y'all laying down some deposits...

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

I'm sure as hell you're not going to get to drive a BRZ/FR-S this spring. Cause everything dealers get will go to people who put down a deposit, and I'm almost certain they won't let anyone else test-drive those.

My dealer has said we will all get to drive the test mule - the dealer will only have it for a few days so scheduling will be a pain but whatever. I will be able to drive it before a factory order goes in. And if it doesn't fit me, then I get the deposit back. No brainer.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Why are people still comparing the MX-5 to the FR-S?

Because it has a similar ethos behind it's design.