Motortrend: 1989 BMW E30 M3 vs 2013 Scion FR-S vs 2013 Volkswagen GTI! - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Kiwi · 04-25-2013, 12:55 AM

Sasquachulator · 04-25-2013, 01:00 AM

Brit guy just hating cuz the FRS is japanese, im sure of it.

strat61caster · 04-25-2013, 02:51 AM

Well this devolved as expected.

NickFRS · 04-25-2013, 03:02 AM

Put the same wheels/tires on both cars. Then take it around the track. Then compare them. Otherwise this review based on track times means nothing to me.

Brzetto · 04-25-2013, 03:11 AM

I don't care what Motor Trend says, they are severely biased. They drive $100.000+ cars on a daily basis but when they get around to driving sub $50.000 car they get really bitchy about random things on the car.

RAWR BRZ · 04-25-2013, 03:33 AM

Having owned European cars and seen where European cars are heading, I believe Europeans care more about lap times and speed than "enjoyment fun." I know this is only my opinion and it doesnt stand for everyone but from what I have seen so far this is true. Take the M3 for example. Stock for stock new models are faster but heavier than the out going model. Even Porsche my previously claimed "halo German car" which still is, has resorted to more and more electronics and the 991 GT3 wont even come in manual transmission anymore...

Personally of the three I would chose the e30 M3. I would love to have one over the BRZ but I wouldn't want to track what I consider a piece of art and potentially ruining it. If I had two that would be a different story

In addition, I am sure if the FRS has the same brand and model tires as the GTI it will run much faster. I am sure the Primacy HP arent doing it any justice and god forbid it has the bridgestones instead.

switchlanez · 04-25-2013, 03:36 AM

Carlitoz3 · 04-25-2013, 03:48 AM

Nice video

Trojan_SC · 04-25-2013, 04:16 AM

All this talk about the faster lap times in this video. All I got to say to these guys on the video is "I went faster than both of you! In my stock FR-S, at Streets of Willow. Womp womp!" ;P

(I'm Erick Sanabria BTW) lol

solidONE · 04-25-2013, 04:22 AM

The lap times are not that impressive for those cars on the streets of willow considering Randy Probst was doing 1:31 on the FR-S and 1:30 on a BRZ. That's 6-7 seconds faster than what they posted. Put a more competent driver behind the wheel of all three cars the time differences between the cars would probably be much closer and we'd have a better idea how much faster (or not faster) the stock GTI is compared to the other 2.

sho220 · 04-25-2013, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trojan_SC

All this talk about the faster lap times in this video. All I got to say to these guys on the video is "I went faster than both of you! In my stock FR-S, at Streets of Willow. Womp womp!" ;P

(I'm Erick Sanabria BTW) lol

haha...nice job! I wonder if Hunter Brabham is any relation to Jack?

Trojan_SC · 04-25-2013, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sho220

haha...nice job! I wonder if Hunter Brabham is any relation to Jack?

Thanks! No clue man haha.

On a side note, I see you have an FJ too! NICE! I love mine.

Brzetto · 04-25-2013, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solidONE

The lap times are not that impressive for those cars on the streets of willow considering Randy Probst was doing 1:31 on the FR-S and 1:30 on a BRZ. That's 6-7 seconds faster than what they posted. Put a more competent driver behind the wheel of all three cars the time differences between the cars would probably be much closer and we'd have a better idea how much faster (or not faster) the stock GTI is compared to the other 2.

I don't think that's going to happen, I think Motor Trend is actively trying to steer people away from the twins. I'm thinking maybe Volkswagen is paying them well. At first they were excited to drive the twins but now it seems that they are taking any opportunity to crap on the cars. MT should take their coat to the cleaners, it's getting dirty constantly turning inside out.

bilen · 04-25-2013, 07:45 AM

I would like the FRS! That being said.
This was the Golf Gti gen 6. The gen 7 is lighter and a bit more powerful, 220 or 230, the 230 version is about 1000€ more expensive but comes with a e-lsd in the front. Do not confuse this with the old by brakes system. This system can send up to 100% of the pwer to the outer wheel in corner exit. This gives a lot less understeer. The torque is up from 280 to 350 Nm on both versions.
Also in Europe, or at least Sweden the pricing is very close on these GT86 and the GTI.

A lot of preach for the GTI from me it seems, but I would definetly chose the GT86 myself.
If not... We have one kid and probably within 1-2 years yet another. This would mean fitting 2 reversed child seats and the Gt86 does not have particulay good rear leg room. Of course this is not the point of the FRS but for people like me where the car has to be a daily drive and at least be able to carry 2 child seats the FRS might sadly be to small.
Therefore I do understand people who cross shop these cars. Only for me what would drive me away from this car is the need for a bit more practical car.

Only the GTI do not even have a manual hand brake, a must in a winter nation like sweden for those unnecessary, but safe, low speed turns of the car in safe places, for example turning the car 90 degrees before entering you drive way.

(My self is hoping for that it takes a year extra to have the second child so that maybe it can fit one forward facing and one rearward facing childseat.)

04-25-2013, 03:02 AM	#60
NickFRS Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FRS Location: Gladstone Posts: 1,450 Thanks: 899 Thanked 440 Times in 286 Posts Mentioned: 75 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Put the same wheels/tires on both cars. Then take it around the track. Then compare them. Otherwise this review based on track times means nothing to me. __________________ 2013 Sion FRS 2014 Subaru WRX 2014 Subaru XV

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Brzetto Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 4 wheels Location: Earth Posts: 1,024 Thanks: 117 Thanked 332 Times in 205 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't care what Motor Trend says, they are severely biased. They drive $100.000+ cars on a daily basis but when they get around to driving sub $50.000 car they get really bitchy about random things on the car.

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RAWR BRZ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2010 BMW M3, 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: Orange County Posts: 376 Thanks: 32 Thanked 97 Times in 56 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Having owned European cars and seen where European cars are heading, I believe Europeans care more about lap times and speed than "enjoyment fun." I know this is only my opinion and it doesnt stand for everyone but from what I have seen so far this is true. Take the M3 for example. Stock for stock new models are faster but heavier than the out going model. Even Porsche my previously claimed "halo German car" which still is, has resorted to more and more electronics and the 991 GT3 wont even come in manual transmission anymore... Personally of the three I would chose the e30 M3. I would love to have one over the BRZ but I wouldn't want to track what I consider a piece of art and potentially ruining it. If I had two that would be a different story In addition, I am sure if the FRS has the same brand and model tires as the GTI it will run much faster. I am sure the Primacy HP arent doing it any justice and god forbid it has the bridgestones instead.

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Carlitoz3 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 MT Asphalt FRS Location: Baldwin Park, CA Posts: 1,051 Thanks: 237 Thanked 235 Times in 157 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nice video

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Trojan_SC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: '14 Monogram FR-S(RIP) Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 909 Thanks: 258 Thanked 417 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	All this talk about the faster lap times in this video. All I got to say to these guys on the video is "I went faster than both of you! In my stock FR-S, at Streets of Willow. Womp womp!" ;P (I'm Erick Sanabria BTW) lol

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solidONE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Whiteout Location: California Posts: 2,863 Thanks: 1,808 Thanked 790 Times in 611 Posts Mentioned: 42 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The lap times are not that impressive for those cars on the streets of willow considering Randy Probst was doing 1:31 on the FR-S and 1:30 on a BRZ. That's 6-7 seconds faster than what they posted. Put a more competent driver behind the wheel of all three cars the time differences between the cars would probably be much closer and we'd have a better idea how much faster (or not faster) the stock GTI is compared to the other 2.

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bilen Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2011 Saab 9-5 Aero Location: Sweden Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would like the FRS! That being said. This was the Golf Gti gen 6. The gen 7 is lighter and a bit more powerful, 220 or 230, the 230 version is about 1000€ more expensive but comes with a e-lsd in the front. Do not confuse this with the old by brakes system. This system can send up to 100% of the pwer to the outer wheel in corner exit. This gives a lot less understeer. The torque is up from 280 to 350 Nm on both versions. Also in Europe, or at least Sweden the pricing is very close on these GT86 and the GTI. A lot of preach for the GTI from me it seems, but I would definetly chose the GT86 myself. If not... We have one kid and probably within 1-2 years yet another. This would mean fitting 2 reversed child seats and the Gt86 does not have particulay good rear leg room. Of course this is not the point of the FRS but for people like me where the car has to be a daily drive and at least be able to carry 2 child seats the FRS might sadly be to small. Therefore I do understand people who cross shop these cars. Only for me what would drive me away from this car is the need for a bit more practical car. Only the GTI do not even have a manual hand brake, a must in a winter nation like sweden for those unnecessary, but safe, low speed turns of the car in safe places, for example turning the car 90 degrees before entering you drive way. (My self is hoping for that it takes a year extra to have the second child so that maybe it can fit one forward facing and one rearward facing childseat.)

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