Vortech or AVO, seriously torn

[ilpad]

I wouldnt mind running up to Drift Office as well to check it out. Should we make a PDX meet day and run up as a group? Could be a blast as well as informative since most of us have jobs and are willing to drop 5k for more power.

[ilpad]

@AVOturboworld
@Drift-Office

If we can get a bunch of us together to come up and visit u guys can u give us the run down? I know quite a few of us are thinking about the Turbo/SC upgrades. We might even be able to get @Touge_ninja and the seattle crew to join us for the day.

Could be a expensive day for a lot of us!

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by Maximania

Hey OP, to bring this topic back from the dead, any updates from the AVO setup at Drift Office?

Sorry, was out of the country for the last month, will be doing my best to have an interesting new update with the AVO kit before the LV Megameet.

Originally Posted by deucethemoose

I heard about your drive - or at least your ride along with Bob...

Let's just say we had to shake it down to make sure all is good.

Originally Posted by ilpad

@AVOturboworld
@Drift-Office

If we can get a bunch of us together to come up and visit u guys can u give us the run down? I know quite a few of us are thinking about the Turbo/SC upgrades.

Originally Posted by ilpad

I wouldnt mind running up to Drift Office as well to check it out. Should we make a PDX meet day and run up as a group? Could be a blast as well as informative since most of us have jobs and are willing to drop 5k for more power.

Money aside, as you'll find out from others here - I usually have a few days a month with a few hours set aside for customers who want to have a Q&A session - regardless of their disposition. I don't usually advertise this fact but in this case, I wouldn't mind setting something up specifically for this kit. Saturdays are usually our busiest days though. Perhaps with advance notice, we could always setup a SUNDAY meet?

Paul @ AVO has been more than accommodating and helpful as we've been with them from ground zero on this project and he's been here to answer any and all questions that you all may have... And if you bring some ketchup chips, you might just entice him to let you take the AVO car out for a spin!

Originally Posted by BRZPDX

I have not had the chance to drive up there yet. Work and life has been interfering. I'll probably give them a call today.

We've been pretty swamped here, so make sure you leave a message and we'll go from there!

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[Drift-Office]

Looks like I need to address a few things...

Originally Posted by tonyfrs86

*edit* the 6700 includes parts, labor and tuning.

That's $6700 for the AVO Kit, AVO overpipe and AVO front pipe, complete with installation, ECUTek License and Stage 1.5 Calibration, making 240 - 250whp, AUTO TRANS @ 7 PSI.

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I'm thinking I really need to pay Bob at @Drift-Office a visit and check out this beast myself

Mr.Jay - We've got another Canadian 86 Tuning Day coming up soon, hit up Ben @ AJR or Johnny for the details...

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I would be very happy with 275hp Nd that's roughly my goal but the ability to break 300 is just soo alluring

I've been there with the AVO kit, and it is pretty amazing. Like I tell others, I don't think I've ever giggled (like a schoolgirl) before... That said, the stock clutch is the limitation here, probably partially due to a hard half season of Gymhakana Drift events where I was beating the AVO car on the track.

Still, 300whp on a stock fuel system? One has to ask yourself what size those stock port injectors are, and while 300WHP is attainable with stock fueling, what duty cycle do you think those run at on a 12.5:1 CR motor that's now running >8PSI of boost, SC or Turbo. Sure, I can get to 300WHP, but when the stock injectors fail from being taxed too much, who's fault does that become?

Originally Posted by tech4pdx

Go Vortech or wait for the PD supercharger to come out. Turbos always seem to want the boost cranked up.

With the supercharger, pulley size will be finite.

Pound for pound of boost, TCs make more torque and power than a SC setup on the same motor. Why would I want / need to crank up the boost? With a properly sized turbo on a HC motor like the FA20, the AVO kit is probably one of the best "balanced" kits out there. There's no real necessity to crank it up. In fact, how many turbo kits offered out there run @ 5PSI? Most of them don't even come alive at those levels. The only real reason why boost is being cranked up now is to see who can get the glory numbers IMHO. It's the same reason why the Vortech kits used to come with a 5 PSI pulley and now comes with a newer, upgraded pulley that runs @ 8-9PSI if I'm not mistaken.

Now if you're looking for a number, and you're fixated on that number in your mind and not concerned with drivablity, power band or driving experience, then by all means, chase the dream. Like other posters have mentioned, that's a pretty dangerous (and expensive) game.

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

If you want a smooth, factory feeling powerband with no intrusion to you oil system. A smooth and instant power delivery, wicked manufacturer support and support from the big name brands that have a reputation to lose.

Oh wait. I thought you were describing AVO and the kit they were offering. Just kidding! Disclaimer : I'm just going to address a few point here that you made specifically, so please don't take it offensively - we're just talking here yeah?

By an "intrusion to your oil system" where you might feel that it is a longevity / reliability concern of your car, then perhaps you shouldn't even be considering aftermarket upgrades, much less FI since anything FI that you'll put on will be accelerating the wear and tear of the motor.

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

Also, with the vortech, you get to throw on the UEL headers and get a beast sounding car. Not just another turbo 4 banger.

Jeff Perrin is capable of making 300whp on the stock fuel system, I've seen his car in person and its gorgeous.

It's funny - I was noting how most of the Suby guys (WRX / STI) who've been in here before in the last 7 years have done nothing but complain about the rumble and want it gone / less pronounced. I assume that's the "beast" sound you speak of.

Interestingly enough, we've also noticed that the FRS / BRZ guys here want that rumble. Ah yes, the ironies of life! And thus, by going that route, one will be paying about 20% of an AVO kit for a UEL header, or add that 20% in cost to your overall SC kit but you're not bothered that you won't be getting an additional 20% of performance out of it?

I've addressed your stock fuel comment herein...

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

I have seen the AVO kit in person, the numbers are there on the dyno but to be totally honest, I wouldn't be too stoked to pop my hood and show it off.

I'm with you 110% on this one. Then again, I've always been about discretion and I'm not the kind of guy to pop my hood at meets, much less at a car show - really. Yes, I have to do this at some events since my customers ask me to do so, but personally, I don't.

AVO, like APS and other Aussie MFG companies that build kits, do so to appear to be OEM-like. This is why it looks like it belongs in the car and I suppose if you wanted something obvious, then yeah, any of the SC offerings would suffice in that "show" department.

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

Here is the thing with this car that I don't think most people on this forum are realizing, sure it's cool to say "I've got 400+whp", but we have a 2700lb car in its heaviest form. 220-270whp puts you at the magical 10lbs:hp ratio that super car manufacturers strive to meet. It really isn't going to matter how you achieve that HP, be it S/c or turbo. The turbo power comes in a bit faster which will change the factory balanced, fun, predictable feel.

Again, 110%. I LOVE the AVO car @ 275WHP / 230#TQ. It's a boatload of fun and very, very responsive in a 2700# application. In this world of FI, you really can't have the best of both worlds, but like the old addage goes, "All things equal, horsepower sells, torque wins races." Mind you though, I'm no pro race car driver, and I bet a bulk of my customers and those reading this aren't either. That being said, the AVO kit has both higher HP and TQ when comparing it to any of the SC offerings, again when doing a (pound for pound of boost) comparison.

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

Bob, still love you and drift office is amazing. Just my preference on this one.

Awww... I understand everyone has their own ideals and there is no product in the world that's a one size fits all. We're all free to make our own choices in life. Did I mention that I've got a FREE offer to tune the first guy who brings a Vortech kit to me (Ref : HERE - gotta pay for the license though!) I'd like a crack at it!

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

[tonyfrs86]

i love it when bob comes in to a post and just says how it is. sorry for not being specific enough in my last post.

i LOVE my AVO kit..it may not be for everyone but its exactly what i wanted.

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by ilpad

@AVOturboworld
@Drift-Office

If we can get a bunch of us together to come up and visit u guys can u give us the run down? I know quite a few of us are thinking about the Turbo/SC upgrades. We might even be able to get @Touge_ninja and the seattle crew to join us for the day.

Could be a expensive day for a lot of us!

I should be able to arrange something within this month. Next month, I'll be out of town most of the month - either east coast or vegas. I may just leave the AVO car with Bob@drift.office while I'm on the East Coast (for the Wicked Big Meet) so people can look it over/take test drives.

[ilpad]

Im going to be up in Seattle for a Wedding on June9th and I will see about fitting visits into my schedule.

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by ilpad

Im going to be up in Seattle for a Wedding on June9th and I will see about fitting visits into my schedule.

Feel free to PM me and set something up!


Bob