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Old 04-07-2013, 05:04 AM   #15
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It's all about valving and not about the actual spring rates.
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It's all about valving and not about the actual spring rates.
So what should I look for when reading a description to decide what would suite me best?
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So what should I look for when reading a description to decide what would suite me best?
...to not take the description for face value...

I dont have them, bit it is a general consensus that Megan's are the cheapest of the cheap. Your car will ride so rough that any possible panel will begin to rattle. The spring rates are just "hey lets just give them these and call it good". Nothing about Megan's were made for this car.

Take this for example: Megan's cat back exhaust is so poorly designed that it hangs beneath the car. So low that it will scrape on a car with no drop on a small speed bump.

Again...not designed for the car. Just products to say they have part for the car.
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I have the Megan Street Series and am completely impressed by them. I know many people talk down on Megan suspension but how many of those have actually tried it on their car? I've installed several suspension systems in trucks and cars and this by far rides better than any spring setup I have used and/or ridden in. I previously had the Eibach Sportlines on my FRS and this rides much better. Once you get the dampening dialed in to suite your needs it rides very similar to stock.

The Street Series will be perfect for the amount of drop you want, in fact you will be able to go even lower if needed in the future. On stock wheels and tires, the front can go low enough to have ~1 finger gap and the rear can go low enough to tuck the tire tread. The reason the front is a touch higher than the rear is because the bottom of the vehicle becomes completely level.

As far as spring rates go, the Street Series give you 8k up front and 6k in the rear. You can call Megan and get whatever spring rates you want though at no additional cost. Stock spring rates are 2.3k up front and 3.8k in the rear just for your reference. So for example, you can call Megan up and request 8k in front and rear and they would gladly do it, up to you.

The 32 levels of adjustable damper strength aren't just a marketing gimmick, they make a huge difference. The lower numbers 0 to 8 make it extremely stiff (for track) and the higher numbers are for street. I am currently at 15 up front and 20 in the rear. You'll be able to notice a difference just by adjusting them a few clicks.

Not sure how your finances are looking but the reason I spent the extra money on the Street Series is because I am running an aggressive wheel and tire setup (19" 57Xtremes) and needed the camber adjustment up front. Turns out I ended up with a perfect tire size and ended up not using the camber adjustment so I could have gone with the EZ Street Series. From the pictures the hardware looks the same so I assume it will give you the same amount of drop. If you are on a budget and don't plan on running some crazy wheels in the future, go with the EZ Street. If you do go with the EZ Streets call Megan up and have them swap the spring rates to 8k up front and 6k in the rear. That would be an excellent affordable setup.

Hope I answered most of your questions. If you want to see some pics of the car I'm on instagram @peteralfonso
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I have the Megan Street Series and am completely impressed by them. I know many people talk down on Megan suspension but how many of those have actually tried it on their car? I've installed several suspension systems in trucks and cars and this by far rides better than any spring setup I have used and/or ridden in. I previously had the Eibach Sportlines on my FRS and this rides much better. Once you get the dampening dialed in to suite your needs it rides very similar to stock.

The Street Series will be perfect for the amount of drop you want, in fact you will be able to go even lower if needed in the future. On stock wheels and tires, the front can go low enough to have ~1 finger gap and the rear can go low enough to tuck the tire tread. The reason the front is a touch higher than the rear is because the bottom of the vehicle becomes completely level.

As far as spring rates go, the Street Series give you 8k up front and 6k in the rear. You can call Megan and get whatever spring rates you want though at no additional cost. Stock spring rates are 2.3k up front and 3.8k in the rear just for your reference. So for example, you can call Megan up and request 8k in front and rear and they would gladly do it, up to you.

The 32 levels of adjustable damper strength aren't just a marketing gimmick, they make a huge difference. The lower numbers 0 to 8 make it extremely stiff (for track) and the higher numbers are for street. I am currently at 15 up front and 20 in the rear. You'll be able to notice a difference just by adjusting them a few clicks.

Not sure how your finances are looking but the reason I spent the extra money on the Street Series is because I am running an aggressive wheel and tire setup (19" 57Xtremes) and needed the camber adjustment up front. Turns out I ended up with a perfect tire size and ended up not using the camber adjustment so I could have gone with the EZ Street Series. From the pictures the hardware looks the same so I assume it will give you the same amount of drop. If you are on a budget and don't plan on running some crazy wheels in the future, go with the EZ Street. If you do go with the EZ Streets call Megan up and have them swap the spring rates to 8k up front and 6k in the rear. That would be an excellent affordable setup.

Hope I answered most of your questions. If you want to see some pics of the car I'm on instagram @peteralfonso
Ahhh thank you. This is exactly what I needed. Now time to save up money. Most likely gonna get the street series cause its 32 adjustable instead of 16? Loving your ride btw!
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Most suspension systems are height adjustable. Just a disclaimer though, the number of adjustments does not equate to the capacity of the coilover nor does it define its ability to do multiple things. If you're around the area, we'll give you a ride in our BRZ just to give you an idea of what a coilover system would feel like on your car.
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Konis don't have clicks...therefore they are infinitely adjustable...therefore they are infinitely AWESOME. JK.
It's the range of adjustability and the quality of the valving itself that is important. Number of clicks is not important.

I would recommend trying to find a ride with local people with RCE springs, Eibach Pro-kit, and Megans.

Our RCE springs are definitely good to go with stock shocks. It's a mild/medium drop WITH included shortened bumpstops. Makes a solid difference in ride and handling. You don't need the Konis. They are great, especially if you track or autox or just want a little....more...but are not required by any means. Lots of good reviews on stock shocks (and Konis) from people who daily drive, track, and auto-x their cars. There are some pictures in the members gallery or on our facebook. If you want to go a little lower, Eibach Pro-kit is a good choice.

A lot of people say "well for springs + konis I could just get coilovers." Coilovers aren't automatically better! Konis are a far superior damper to the Megans and that's the backbone of the system. You don't get the height adjustability or the much stiffer spring rates of the Megans, but you have better valving. You have to choose what's important to you. If you must go really low, or you really want stiff rates, and that's your budget, maybe that's the better choice but there are compromises (as there are with anything).

FWIW there are coilovers out there that are much worse than Megans.

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Old 04-08-2013, 02:41 PM   #22
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I have the Megan Street Series and am completely impressed by them.
Apparently you haven't been exposed to much.

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As far as spring rates go, the Street Series give you 8k up front and 6k in the rear. You can call Megan and get whatever spring rates you want though at no additional cost. Stock spring rates are 2.3k up front and 3.8k in the rear just for your reference. So for example, you can call Megan up and request 8k in front and rear and they would gladly do it, up to you.
Completely wrong spring rates for this chassis. The natural frequency balance front to rear is going to be completely off. Can you say understeer? Also, you shouldn't just slap different spring rates on the same damper and try to adjust it out, especially on a single adjustable system.

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The 32 levels of adjustable damper strength aren't just a marketing gimmick, they make a huge difference. The lower numbers 0 to 8 make it extremely stiff (for track) and the higher numbers are for street. I am currently at 15 up front and 20 in the rear. You'll be able to notice a difference just by adjusting them a few clicks.
Of course it makes a difference. The problem is that difference is highly non-linear and varies from damper to damper. So your front right at 15 clicks could be completely different than the left at 15 clicks. This is a problem common to almost all needle valve adjusted dampers, but is especially bad on budget systems.

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If you do go with the EZ Streets call Megan up and have them swap the spring rates to 8k up front and 6k in the rear. That would be an excellent affordable setup.
Again. Wrong spring rates for this car.

To OP-Mike and Andy are right. Damper quality is THE single most important thing for having a suspension system that rides well and performs well. And it's exactly where most budget systems fall flat on their faces. Highly non-linear adjustments, performance that varies greatly from damper to damper, performance that changes significantly as the shock body/fluid/gas changes temperature, performance drop off as the shock [easily] overheats. Head over to NASIOC and read about the kind of issues people have had with Megan/BC (Same company originally, I don't know now) products.

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Konis don't have clicks...therefore they are infinitely adjustable...therefore they are infinitely AWESOME. JK.
It's the range of adjustability and the quality of the valving itself that is important. Number of clicks is not important.

I would recommend trying to find a ride with local people with RCE springs, Eibach Pro-kit, and Megans.

Our RCE springs are definitely good to go with stock shocks. It's a mild/medium drop WITH included shortened bumpstops. Makes a solid difference in ride and handling. You don't need the Konis. They are great, especially if you track or autox or just want a little....more...but are not required by any means. Lots of good reviews on stock shocks (and Konis) from people who daily drive, track, and auto-x their cars. There are some pictures in the members gallery or on our facebook. If you want to go a little lower, Eibach Pro-kit is a good choice.

A lot of people say "well for springs + konis I could just get coilovers." Coilovers aren't automatically better! Konis are a far superior damper to the Megans and that's the backbone of the system. You don't get the height adjustability or the much stiffer spring rates of the Megans, but you have better valving. You have to choose what's important to you. If you must go really low, or you really want stiff rates, and you don't have much money, maybe that's the better choice but there are compromises (as there are with anything).

FWIW there are coilovers out there that are much worse than Megans.

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Neither the RCE or pro kit give me the drop I want. What DD coilovers would you recommend? I don't mind paying a bit more for better coils. I've been also looking at Tein street basis. How are those? Or fortune autos?
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For the budget-minded enthusiast, my money is on the Teins. I used to run them on my MR-2s and have been sold ever since. The mountain roads in Japan were a fantastic test of damping ability and they transformed my turbo MR-2 from a tail-happy death machine into a predictable, drivable street car.

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BTW, they were the Tein Flex on both cars.
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For the budget-minded enthusiast, my money is on the Teins. I used to run them on my MR-2s and have been sold ever since. The mountain roads in Japan were a fantastic test of damping ability and they transformed my turbo MR-2 from a tail-happy death machine into a predictable, drivable street car.

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BTW, they were the Tein Flex on both cars.
Hmmmm do you have any insight on the Tein Basis?
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Hmmmm do you have any insight on the Tein Basis?
I haven't used them personally so, I'm sorry I don't have anything useful to say about them.

Since I spend a considerable amount of time autocrossing and doing track days, I will need something a bit better than the Basis so I won't be buying them. I'm sure that someone has tried them around here somewhere.

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I haven't used them personally so, I'm sorry I don't have anything useful to say about them.

Since I spend a considerable amount of time autocrossing and doing track days, I will need something a bit better than the Basis so I won't be buying them. I'm sure that someone has tried them around here somewhere.

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@Itssrayyxd just a tad bit more info:

My friend with a stock FRS came over to keep me company while installing some parts, we took a ride to Advance Auto Parts to pick up a socket and the first thing he said was "Man your car rides way smoother than mine!". Made no sense to me because I couldn't remember what stock suspension felt like. Sure enough we took his down the road and it feels like garbage compared to mine.

I know since everyone bashes Megan anything I say is pretty much irrelevant but if you want to make your own opinion on these you wont regret spending the money, you can't beet $840 shipped.
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