brz rear ended

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by GregV

You're extending the argument beyond the premise. We're discussing the fundamental ability to operate a vehicle. It is illegal to operate a vehicle under the influence already.

There is no law preventing the operation of a vehicle by those mentally or physically incapable; the closest thing is when a doctor submits a patient's license to be revoked by the state.

The point of testing over 65 (I would actually argue should be older than even that, maybe 70+) is for a professional to be able to determine that a vehicle operator can actually safely manage the automobile regardless of outside influence or poor judgement.

The goal isn't to find and punish bad drivers, it's to remove drivers incapable of operating a vehicle from the roadways.

I do not want to argue with you and that is not my point in this post. I agree with you that those most people under 25 possess the physical and mental capacity to drive a motor vehicle. However, in many cases they have not developed the skills or instincts to handle emergency type situations that present themselves while driving. You need to look no furthur than this very forum to see that some have not developed the skill to handle a RWD car when it enters a skid. There are a lot of 65+ people that would handle the same situation without thinking about it because they grew up driving RWD and they would react instinctively. The other thing that gets young drivers in trouble is that they believe they are immortal. In most cases they have not yet experience the horrors of losing friends, family and loved ones to automobile crashes. It never enters their mind that in the split second it takes them to make a bad decision their entire lives can change forever.

Being over 65 or 70 or even 75 does not mean you lack the skill to be a good driver. I know of several successful racers that are in their 70s and they are beating drivers one third of their age on a regular basis. The SCCA is full of them and Paul Newman raced well into his senior years.

I do still agree that people over a certain threshold age should be required to be retested for driving proficiency. In addition, I think that drivers under the age of 25 should have to be re-certified if they have an at fault accident or more than 3 moving violations.

Originally Posted by russv

Here are some interesting stats regarding age and accident rates. Of particular interest are the fatal crash rates of 20-24 year olds vs senior drivers. Of more interest is the alcohol-age rate of drivers in fatal accidents in the 21-24 and 25-34 year old range vs senior drivers. Interesting where the body count is.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s1114.pdf

These stats support my contention above. Even if you do the numbers per capita or miles driven seniors are involved in much fewer accidents than young drivers. That does not mean that more testing of seniors would not be a good thing.

I know several old people that should no longer have a drivers license. I also know some young people that should have never been allowed to get one.

Just sayin'

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by microbionic

obligatory - SEEK REVENGE!!!

Kick that old man down a big hole!



Then try and get a new car so you dont have to deal with the depreciation and problems.

[whaap]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I do not want to argue with you and that is not my point in this post. I agree with you that those most people under 25 possess the physical and mental capacity to drive a motor vehicle. However, in many cases they have not developed the skills or instincts to handle emergency type situations that present themselves while driving. You need to look no furthur than this very forum to see that some have not developed the skill to handle a RWD car when it enters a skid. There are a lot of 65+ people that would handle the same situation without thinking about it because they grew up driving RWD and they would react instinctively. The other thing that gets young drivers in trouble is that they believe they are immortal. In most cases they have not yet experience the horrors of losing friends, family and loved ones to automobile crashes. It never enters their mind that in the split second it takes them to make a bad decision their entire lives can change forever.

Being over 65 or 70 or even 75 does not mean you lack the skill to be a good driver. I know of several successful racers that are in their 70s and they are beating drivers one third of their age on a regular basis. The SCCA is full of them and Paul Newman raced well into his senior years.

I do still agree that people over a certain threshold age should be required to be retested for driving proficiency. In addition, I think that drivers under the age of 25 should have to be re-certified if they have an at fault accident or more than 3 moving violations.



These stats support my contention above. Even if you do the numbers per capita or miles driven seniors are involved in much fewer accidents than young drivers. That does not mean that more testing of seniors would not be a good thing.

I know several old people that should no longer have a drivers license. I also know some young people that should have never been allowed to get one.

Just sayin'

Some of us old farts who still do a pretty decent job thank you.

[Ganthrithor]

An older gentleman backed into my GTI in a parking lot.

It could just as easily have been some stupid 19 year old bitch on her cell phone.

Ugly pics, sorry about your car :\

[bjun]

Originally Posted by briang0901

My damage was not at the rear of the vehicle so I dont know how they will apporach it, but I know that for mine I had damage to the fenders, hood, bumper, doors, and engine bay. As for what they did, they replaced every single part with OEM parts. I told them specifically that they will replace every item damaged with an OEM part. My car was 4 mths old when I wrecked. As for the claim I am in the process of doing that right now, since the wreck is not your fault you can file a claim to get back lost value in the car due to its dimished resale value. To do this contact the insurance agent handling your claim and ask for the documents they need for it. I'd also suggest the dealer recommended body shop, I went through the insurance company and that resulted in a very disappointing repair.

Your car should come back looking almost brand new, the body work on mine was pretty dang good(minus the paint job) there are areas on my car that arnt perfect but only a FRS/BRZ owner would notice.

My threads about what happened:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...hlight=wrecked
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31388

wow i saw your pictures, your car looks brand new. i couldn't really tell the faulty paint job from the pictures though. glad you were ok and the car came out good too, and thanks for all the info

[BRZfan]

Best thing you can do is to make sure you have a very reputable body shop do the work.

Originally Posted by bjun

do you think my car will come back brand new looking? i've been so stressed and paranoid lately.

[Ozzman]

http://www.everythingzoomer.com/acce...edal-mistakes/

Why pedal mixups are dangerously common

s.lamothe | August 15th, 2012

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This is a recurring problem for new drivers and seniors alike. There are several reasons why many drivers make this very basic mistake, sometimes with disastrous consequences.
The mixup usually happens in confined spaces.
When a driver is using the brake pedal to govern the vehicle speed in a parking lot, traffic jam, drive-thru or any other place where an idle speed will be sufficient to complete the chosen manoeuvre, there is always the potential for a pedal mix-up. Drivers will often feel the sensation of movement when manipulating the brake pedal. Their reasoning is as follows: “If the pedal I am using is making the car go forward, then the other pedal must make it stop.” When a driver is startled and the vehicle has been recently started, a strong idle will often vault the vehicle forward and create the illusion of intended propulsion. The natural thing to do seems to slam a foot on the other pedal, namely the gas pedal. I have seen this happen in the driving school car hundreds of times, if not thousands of times, over the last three decades............................

[briang0901]

OP posts information about he got rear ended, somehow this turns into a discussion on young and old drivers....curious.

[LivingLegend]

Glad youre OK! I agree seniors need to be banned from the road or at least must retake their driving test a couple times a year. I worked at a local grocery store and watched 2 older gentlemen that were parked right across from each other pull out at the same time. What was crazy was them not knowing that they hit each other and kept on giving it gas. A few people who saw what happen including me ran to them to let them know they hit each other....

[BRZfan]

Interesting indeed. It debunks much of the previous comments. Seniors, 65 and above, have an extremely lower rate of Fatal Crashes and also the Number of Accidents.

One conclusion: If you make it to 65 you get to watch all the other young'un do the crashing. If one of those young'uns cuts in front of my F150 Ima gonna bump'm. Just kidding folks, I would never, never, do that.

Originally Posted by russv

Here are some interesting stats regarding age and accident rates. Of particular interest are the fatal crash rates of 20-24 year olds vs senior drivers. Of more interest is the alcohol-age rate of drivers in fatal accidents in the 21-24 and 25-34 year old range vs senior drivers. Interesting where the body count is.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s1114.pdf

[BRZfan]

Age discrimination. Probably most of the posters are in their twenties and therefore almost every other driver is "older". "Older' drivers don't comment because they heard it all before. 'Been there, done that' as they say.

Also, the OP did not have to make so much comment on the other driver. We all don't know the circumstances. Being involved in a crash is a highly emotional experience and sometimes the best logic is temporarily nonexistent.

Originally Posted by briang0901

OP posts information about he got rear ended, somehow this turns into a discussion on young and old drivers....curious.

[DP82]

Okay... really now... the majority of you argue that a person's age is the dominate contributing factor for causing mistakes and I'll say you are close, but not spot on the bull's eye... it's because people are HUMAN and make MISTAKES. Yes, the young have a lot of lessons to learn to start with, but throughout life you're constantly building knowledge proactively and retroactively. The breakdown occurs with how well you retain and apply that information.

Until a completely automated car comes along (Google is making some progress here) and replaces the human interaction with computer automation in driving decisions then automobile accidents will ALWAYS happen. Momentary lack of attention due to distractions, lack of experience in critical situations, and so on the list will continue to grow as to why people get into accidents. This is exactly why insurance minimums are set state by state to cover these eventual losses while sharing public roads with others. Really now, age has nothing conclusive to add to this silly argument. Just be thankful the engineers built these cars with a huge focus on protecting their occupants!

Link to Subaru BRZ IIHS safety ratings: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=751

[typeray12]

Sorry about your car. Glad you're okay though. Was the guy not a laker fan?

[was385]

Originally Posted by russv

Here are some interesting stats regarding age and accident rates. Of particular interest are the fatal crash rates of 20-24 year olds vs senior drivers. Of more interest is the alcohol-age rate of drivers in fatal accidents in the 21-24 and 25-34 year old range vs senior drivers. Interesting where the body count is.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s1114.pdf

I feel like those stats are slightly misleading because they only take into account number of drivers, not miles driven. As you can see in the link below, 65+ drivers drive on average just over half as many miles per year as the 20-34 age group:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.htm

The fatal accident rate per 100k drivers for 65+ is just over 22 (36 for 20-24). I can't find miles driven info for just 20-24, but when adjusted to the avg miles driven for 20-34, the 65+ accident rates spikes to just under 33. So when they're actually on the road, they are nearly as dangerous as younger drivers (who generally have increased restrictions). I don't think it's out of the question to ask that senior drivers also face increased restrictions, though the seniors are such an important voting black that I seriously doubt that will ever happen.