Dealer refusing to disable DRL's?

[dori.]

it's not mandated federally, but what about by state?

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere

I just put yellow bulbs in mine. I wanted to retain the DRLs for safety, but get some style! Anything that helps protect my FR-S from idiot motorists is a good thing!!!

Yea, I really like the look of yellow bulbs. Which ones did you go with?

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by dori.

it's not mandated federally, but what about by state?

From the IIHS:

Laws in Canada and many European countries require vehicles to operate with lights on during the daytime. Canada requires vehicles made after Dec. 1, 1989, to be equipped with DRLs. The European Union requires DRLs for new cars and small vans under a law that took effect in February 2011. New trucks and buses in the EU must have DRLs starting in August 2012.

No U.S. state mandates DRLs, but some require drivers to operate vehicles with lights on in bad weather.

Incidentally, the US cars have DRL mostly because of a big push from GM back in the 90's whereby the petitioned the US to allow but not require DRL's so that they wouldn't have to re-tool their assembly line for North America (since it was already required by Canada).

[BlaineWasHere]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Yea, I really like the look of yellow bulbs. Which ones did you go with?

http://www.quadratec.com/products/95...FWGnPAod7CgApQ

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

No shit? That is an excellent piece of evidence, thanks.




When you enter your vehicle do the wipers start wiping the window? Does your A/C automatically start up even though you know you aren't going to use it? Is your radio always on by default?

Some of us just prefer to be the "master of our domain". We don't need electronics telling us when to do things.

TPMS sensors too, just another feature for the 21st century brainless people we are breeding en masse. What's next, windshield washer low light? Just fill the damn thing with regular water when you are checking your tires that you had no clue were low because of the lack of a TPMS.

More shit to break, more shit to fix.

I guess you'd love an airbag button also so you can pop it on command when you crash instead of automatically opening, right?

[truenosan]

I hardly find DRL's a good "safety" feature. Proper driver education is the key. If the conditions are horrible, turn on your headlights. Pretty simple right?

There are far too many idiot drivers driving at night with just DRL's on.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by root

I make fair amount of use of handbrake on hills and people wonder why I'm flashing my lights at them

Why do you use your handbrake on hills?

[KSC]

Originally Posted by Synack

Because they're ugly first of all.

Not on the BRZ!

*runs*

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Dake

Why do you use your handbrake on hills?

I presume it's for starting on an uphill incline. Unless your MT car is equipped with one of those newfangled devices that apply brakes when you're starting on an incline, you have two choices: the correct and proper method of applying the handbrake with the button pressed, giving it some gas, easing off the clutch, and lowering the handbrake in a balancing act that belongs in cirque du soleil, or the incorrect method of riding the clutch, or gunning it real fast and dropping the clutch so you catch it in time before you slam into some guy riding your tail behind you.

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

When you enter your vehicle do the wipers start wiping the window? Does your A/C automatically start up even though you know you aren't going to use it? Is your radio always on by default?

Some of us just prefer to be the "master of our domain". We don't need electronics telling us when to do things.

TPMS sensors too, just another feature for the 21st century brainless people we are breeding en masse. What's next, windshield washer low light? Just fill the damn thing with regular water when you are checking your tires that you had no clue were low because of the lack of a TPMS.

More shit to break, more shit to fix.

The "manual" airbag comment from a previous poster is excellent, but how about you also disable your fuel gauge, power steering/power brakes, get rid of that starter and get a crank. (True story this is the first car I've had that did NOT have a washer fluid light - even cars from the 80s had it).

DRLs don't impede you in any way (some try to argue bulb life or fuel economy, both work out to pennies a year) - and they are a safety feature for you and other people on the road. YOU might think conditions don't warrant the lights on, but other drivers might benefit from the improved visibility of your car.

It's like the 3rd brake light. Doesn't hurt you in any way, and either is neutral or an improvement for drivers behind you. Yet people fought and ranted about them when they came out.

Tinted head/tail lights, tinted windshield, giant windshield banner/sticker, running bald tires, disable ABS, disable DRL, removing airbags : lumped in the same camp I'm afraid.

[Cheddar]

They did it to me and service rep said ECM didnt have to be replaced. Guess what happens now? When I hit the high beams the DRLs come on.....was reported to the service manager and he called me back 2 hrs later saying they ordered the ECM....

[zaptorque]

Originally Posted by Khyron686

The "manual" airbag comment from a previous poster is excellent, but how about you also disable your fuel gauge, power steering/power brakes, get rid of that starter and get a crank. (True story this is the first car I've had that did NOT have a washer fluid light - even cars from the 80s had it).

DRLs don't impede you in any way (some try to argue bulb life or fuel economy, both work out to pennies a year) - and they are a safety feature for you and other people on the road. YOU might think conditions don't warrant the lights on, but other drivers might benefit from the improved visibility of your car.

It's like the 3rd brake light. Doesn't hurt you in any way, and either is neutral or an improvement for drivers behind you. Yet people fought and ranted about them when they came out.

Tinted head/tail lights, tinted windshield, giant windshield banner/sticker, running bald tires, disable ABS, disable DRL, removing airbags : lumped in the same camp I'm afraid.

Would love to see some actual data to prove "DRLs" make you and others around you "safer". I bet the difference in actual "safety" (however you choose to quantify that) is negligible. Cars have been without DRLs for decades upon decades, and the fact that they are now mandating it is an annoyance for some. Personally I don't like the way they look, its personal preference.

Automakers are putting them on cars now as a potential legal safeguard, but I highly doubt they account for significantly fewer accidents on the road. Would be interesting to see if there is any data that backs me on this.

[MightyMeeple]

Originally Posted by husker741

Am I the only one who keeps my headlights (low beams) on all the time in my cars?

I turn my full headlights on as a matter of habit as well. I want all my neighboring cars in traffic to have every opportunity to see my vehicle!

[MightyMeeple]

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere

I just put yellow bulbs in mine. I wanted to retain the DRLs for safety, but get some style! Anything that helps protect my FR-S from idiot motorists is a good thing!!!

This looks great! Very nice.