"Come Race Me Bro" Encounters

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Only if you drive an auto!

Hey, wait a minute now! I have not in the past, nor do I expect to be, beaten off the(stop) line by a minivan. Of course, I can't guarantee they knew it was a competition to get to speed first.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

I'm going by the vans I see the most of:

The 2017 Sienna hits 0-60 in 6.8s; the 2018 Odyssey does it in 6.9s.
The Pacifica does 7.2.

Splitting hairs, but the point is, beating a minivan in the Twins is not a foregone conclusion.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Only if you drive an auto!


None of those times are "6(ish)" and most certainly not "or even under"

Originally Posted by TorontoNat

No, just no. I understand that numbers say one thing but those are under perfect testing conditions.

In a real life scenarios: from a standing start: by the time the computers figured out the driver hit the gas pedal in the van, the twin will already be halfway through first gear. and the highway... wtf??? can those even downshift? No?.. then zero chance. The only minivan that will destroy a twin in every sense is the one Renault put an f1 v10 in a few years back... Now that was a machine!

Il say it again.. if ANY minivan beats you under ANY circumstances.. its you that sucks not the car.

Are those factory numbers? Or tested with a roll-out?

Because car and driver says the sienna does Zero to 60 mph: 7.5-7.7 sec
Odyssey is quicker at Zero to 60 mph: 6.5-6.7 sec
The pacifica is listed at zero to 60 mph at 7.8


They all do high to mid 15s in the quarter mile, and they have a manual shift mode capability and some oddly powerful engines

Those performance numbers are on par with the twins...

Either way its down to a driver, if some soccer mom or dad knows how to turn traction control off, go to manual mode and launch there minivan, they could very well beat a stock twin to 60 or tie it. But they will surely sputter out and fall back after 60, and if there is a curve or bend in the road oncoming, then they won't be able to keep speed for sure

[Clipdat]

Are you a Millennial?

Originally Posted by qcbaker

I never said it wasn't...



I'm not even arguing that my post didn't violate the "no street racing" rule. My point is more that there are tons of others in this thread basically admitting to the same thing. The whole thread has people admitting to street racing. To call this an "anti-street racing" thread is a bit revisionist if you ask me lol. If the mods want to ban me for my post, fine I'll accept that even if I think its a bit uptight. I would just think the rule would enforced equally to all others in this thread who have also admitted to accepting challenges. I don't see this level of backlash against StraightOuttaCanadaEh when he essentially did the same thing last month lol.



I wasn't trying to brag about a victory lol. All I said was that I kept up with the biker that challenged me, which surprised me. I figured he would just pull away from me, and he didn't. At the end of the day, I was just sharing a story about getting challenged to a race in a thread about sharing stories about getting challenged to a race.

And you can save me the sob stories about the victims of street racing lol. I think you're under the impression that I'm advocating street racing or arguing that what I was doing wasn't stupid or dangerous, and that simply isn't the case. Granted, I do believe that a highway pull like that with nobody else around, in a non-residential area is basically harmless to anyone but myself and the dude that challenged me, but I'm not deluded into thinking I wasn't really street racing or anything like that.

For the third time, calm down, deputy.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Are those factory numbers? Or tested with a roll-out?

Because car and driver says the sienna does Zero to 60 mph: 7.5-7.7 sec
Odyssey is quicker at Zero to 60 mph: 6.5-6.7 sec
The pacifica is listed at zero to 60 mph at 7.8


They all do high to mid 15s in the quarter mile, and they have a manual shift mode capability and some oddly powerful engines

Those performance numbers are on par with the twins...

Either way its down to a driver, if some soccer mom or dad knows how to turn traction control off, go to manual mode and launch there minivan, they could very well beat a stock twin to 60 or tie it. But they will surely sputter out and fall back after 60, and if there is a curve or bend in the road oncoming, then they won't be able to keep speed for sure

Ya 0 to 60 numbers are a poor comparison since you can find higher or lower ones for each vehicle depending on where you look. Many time people on here have used the fastest times they could find for vehicle X and then go to some other source and pull the slowest they could find for the Twins and yell "SEE". I always try to use the times posted in 0 to 60 site since they should all have come from at least the same sort of test criteria. Even then there is certainly a margin of error.


Minivans, trucks and many sedans can indeed to seem to be faster off the line due to great low end torque. They can and will pull ahead for a couple of car lengths. If properly driven a Twin driver (even those with AT) should be able to negate that advantage once moving. The problem lies in that people like to race from stop lights where they just don't have the time to make up for that torque launch so they think the minivan is "faster". The secret to not being beat by minivans is simply to not try to race them in a 10th of a city block. That is their turf.

[qcbaker]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

It's not ridiculous or far fetched, we've seen warranty claims denied because dealers lurked on the forum to find cars being tracked and then voiding the warranty.

Also if your account name can be tied to you through some simple research, then police can easily look into you if you get caught doing something dumb in the future.

First of all, there's an enormous difference between a dealer investigating a warranty claim and a police officer investigating a person. A dealer has a real relevant reason to be investigating a person that has made a warranty claim. Do you honestly believe that my local cops have reason to be actively investigating me, trying desperately to find some evidence that I participate in street races?

Secondly, I'm not arguing that it would be impossible for police to find my post, link the post to me somehow, and know that I claimed to participate in a street race on some road at some point. I'm arguing that it's not worth their time to do that. If I get pulled over for speeding, and a cop googles my username and finds this post, they can't retroactively charge me for street racing just because I posted on here. I could easily claim I was lying and they would have no proof otherwise. Plus, do you really, honestly believe that a police officer would, unprompted, lurk on here, find my post, and then stake out whatever road they think I might have been on, and try to catch me doing it again? Police have more than enough actual problems to deal with. Or, at the very least they have more productive uses of their time. If you think you're at risk of police investigating you for street racing because you wrote a post about a time you street raced, you're worrying over nothing.

[qcbaker]

Originally Posted by Clipdat

Are you a Millennial?

Are you?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cheeky

IMO

Race a van, get beat - you look stupid
Race a van and beat it - you look equally as stupid

THIS ^
This is what needed to be said!

[qcbaker]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep just a highway pull where the "ballsier" driver goes the fastest. I don't think that they were doing 10MPH over. It does not have to be an organized event to be dangerous. Going fast is one thing but when street racing is involved there is to much distraction involved in worrying about where the other guys is and how far ahead or behind them you are.


I would have just read his story snickered in disbelief to myself and never commented on it at all if it was not for his screw you attitude to the people that simply pointed out that the rules here state no discussion of street racing.

My "screw you attitude" is more a response to your (and others) attitude that the forum rules are so sacrosanct and its ridiculous that anyone would ever post about street racing when in reality, there are dozens of posts IN THIS THREAD about street racing that nobody has said a goddamn thing about lol.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

My "screw you attitude" is more a response to your (and others) attitude that the forum rules are so sacrosanct and its ridiculous that anyone would ever post about street racing when in reality, there are dozens of posts IN THIS THREAD about street racing that nobody has said a goddamn thing about lol.

Ahh now you feel unfairly persecuted?
Read more of the thread. You will find many instances where people were shot down for their stories.
Many of the street racing posts were also removed by the Mods.
It is a simple rule that was applied for a reason.

[TorontoNat]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The secret to not being beat by minivans is simply to not try to race them in a 10th of a city block. That is their turf.

Disagree. How on earth can a heavy vehicle with a auto tranny beat a properly dropped clutch at 4.5k? AWD only does so much.

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

and they have a manual shift mode capability and some oddly powerful engines

lol still... pulls paddle... waits half a sec..... and........ downshift!

[TorontoNat]

Originally Posted by Cheeky

IMO

Race a van, get beat - you look stupid
Race a van and beat it - you look equally as stupid

LOL absolutely. not saying it's cool.. just trying to understand why ppl keep saying my car compares to a minivan... makes the little boy in me upset.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TorontoNat

Disagree. How on earth can a heavy vehicle with a auto tranny beat a properly dropped clutch at 4.5k? AWD only does so much.



lol still... pulls paddle... waits half a sec..... and........ downshift!

Do not underestimate the low end gearing and torque of the minivan. It is meant to move a heavy load from a dead stop so unloaded it works well. It only works well at launch though and then loses it's impact very quickly once moving. They can get a jump on you but can't maintain it long.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by TorontoNat

Disagree. How on earth can a heavy vehicle with a auto tranny beat a properly dropped clutch at 4.5k? AWD only does so much.



lol still... pulls paddle... waits half a sec..... and........ downshift!

Honestly I've driven alot of cars lately and these 10 speed and 8 speed autos shift so fast, there's really almost no delay anymore

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by qcbaker

First of all, there's an enormous difference between a dealer investigating a warranty claim and a police officer investigating a person. A dealer has a real relevant reason to be investigating a person that has made a warranty claim. Do you honestly believe that my local cops have reason to be actively investigating me, trying desperately to find some evidence that I participate in street races?

Secondly, I'm not arguing that it would be impossible for police to find my post, link the post to me somehow, and know that I claimed to participate in a street race on some road at some point. I'm arguing that it's not worth their time to do that. If I get pulled over for speeding, and a cop googles my username and finds this post, they can't retroactively charge me for street racing just because I posted on here. I could easily claim I was lying and they would have no proof otherwise. Plus, do you really, honestly believe that a police officer would, unprompted, lurk on here, find my post, and then stake out whatever road they think I might have been on, and try to catch me doing it again? Police have more than enough actual problems to deal with. Or, at the very least they have more productive uses of their time. If you think you're at risk of police investigating you for street racing because you wrote a post about a time you street raced, you're worrying over nothing.

I didn't say unprompted, I said it could easily be used as evidence against you should something happen ...




You're from PA as well I'm surprised you haven't heard about all the times the Roosevelt Blvd street racing stuff was cracked down on