This car really hates the cold weather - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Rayme · 01-23-2013, 03:11 PM

AT Transsmision as the others say. My engine cranks like its right in the middle of the summer even at -20c.

ST185RC · 01-23-2013, 03:14 PM

10 minutes of warm up is way excessive and it's just burning money. Once the idle rpms of the engine reaches normal operatinging RPMS around 800-1000 the oil has circulated enough. If it's that cold, the rest of the driveline might have frosted over. Best to start it moving after 2-3 minutes of getting the oil going.

The first start on a cold morning is by far the most harmful thing an engine sees and there's really no way around that. Any other regular engine (barring redlining it and choking it like a chicken) wear and tear will be a small fraction of first start wear and tear.

_hollywood · 01-23-2013, 03:55 PM

I know anything over 30 seconds is a waste but i am guilty of letting it sit for 5 minutes on cold mornings, and man i love that crunch sound everytime i open the door, sounds so nice on a brand new car....

so26 · 01-23-2013, 04:04 PM

I don't know about an AT but with a MT most of the gears are spinning in the transmission when the shift is in neutral and the clutch is released.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftdgB93QOD8"]gear box operation - YouTube[/ame]

The spinning gears will stir the oil and genetrate some heat. How much not sure.

joop1987 · 01-23-2013, 04:34 PM

I had no problems today at 7:30am in NJ. I let it warm up for 30 seconds before I drove to work.

Ryephile · 01-23-2013, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by so26

The spinning gears will stir the oil and genetrate some heat. How much not sure.

Yes that's true, but not nearly as much as the heat generated by the frictional losses that comes with power transmission...by driving the car. It's the same thing as letting the engine idle, yes that will eventually warm up, but in the end your brakes, bearings, & differential can't get warm until you drive the car.

Pooverdam · 01-23-2013, 06:20 PM

I had some issues starting up last night after work. It was 13 degrees Fahrenheit and took 3 turns of the key to finally fire up.

xcelir8brz · 01-23-2013, 07:50 PM

Get an Optima battery. It will solve all your issues.

jlu · 01-23-2013, 08:45 PM

I've noticed that after driving through the hills in cold weather, it seems as if the car seems to lose power. It'll take longer to hit the higher RPMs and just feels sluggish overall. This is usually accompanied by difficulty starting up or very weak start-ups. Does anyone else have this problem?

PRORICAN · 01-23-2013, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcelir8brz

Get an Optima battery. It will solve all your issues.

It's funny you say that. I have one of those small racing battery kits that I've used for about 3yrs now and the last two winters were here in Mass with zero issues. So far this week has been well below 20degrees and start ups have been quick and on the first try.

LeeMaster · 01-23-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pheoxs

Even if you let the engine warm up for half an hour the transmission fluid is still cold and doesn't flow smoothly. This is why you're supposed to drive gently for a while even if your coolant/oil is at temp.

+1

I drive a Manual Impreza winter beater and have to let the car warm up first. Even when the motor is blazing hot, if the transmission oil is cold then the revs will be high and the shifting would feel a bit sluggish.

My 98 Honda Civic AT, however, does not suffer from this problem so it must be a Subaru thing???

Exhaust · 01-23-2013, 10:15 PM

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "WOT"?

Pooverdam · 01-23-2013, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Forgive my ignorance, but what is "WOT"?

wide open throttle

Exhaust · 01-23-2013, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pooverdam

wide open throttle

How exactly do you achieve this? Accelerating while not under load?

01-23-2013, 03:11 PM	#15
Rayme The Answer Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Mazda 2 Location: Moncton, NB Posts: 1,233 Thanks: 488 Thanked 661 Times in 315 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	AT Transsmision as the others say. My engine cranks like its right in the middle of the summer even at -20c. __________________ \| Roof wrap thread

01-23-2013, 03:55 PM	#17
_hollywood Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: 97 itr sold Location: WI Posts: 565 Thanks: 183 Thanked 165 Times in 98 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I know anything over 30 seconds is a waste but i am guilty of letting it sit for 5 minutes on cold mornings, and man i love that crunch sound everytime i open the door, sounds so nice on a brand new car.... __________________ FR-S #56 of 86 Raven MT *FOR SALE*

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01-23-2013, 03:14 PM	#16
ST185RC Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: White Out FR-S Location: Canada Posts: 672 Thanks: 31 Thanked 511 Times in 242 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	10 minutes of warm up is way excessive and it's just burning money. Once the idle rpms of the engine reaches normal operatinging RPMS around 800-1000 the oil has circulated enough. If it's that cold, the rest of the driveline might have frosted over. Best to start it moving after 2-3 minutes of getting the oil going. The first start on a cold morning is by far the most harmful thing an engine sees and there's really no way around that. Any other regular engine (barring redlining it and choking it like a chicken) wear and tear will be a small fraction of first start wear and tear.

01-23-2013, 04:04 PM	#18
so26 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Raven FR-S 6MT Location: Garden state Posts: 181 Thanks: 70 Thanked 54 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't know about an AT but with a MT most of the gears are spinning in the transmission when the shift is in neutral and the clutch is released. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftdgB93QOD8"]gear box operation - YouTube[/ame] The spinning gears will stir the oil and genetrate some heat. How much not sure.

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joop1987 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 FRS, Raven, Auto Location: Hamilton, NJ Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I had no problems today at 7:30am in NJ. I let it warm up for 30 seconds before I drove to work.

01-23-2013, 06:20 PM	#21
Pooverdam Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: Whiteout 6MT FRS Location: MA Posts: 95 Thanks: 123 Thanked 62 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I had some issues starting up last night after work. It was 13 degrees Fahrenheit and took 3 turns of the key to finally fire up.

01-23-2013, 07:50 PM	#22
xcelir8brz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ Limited Location: Earth Posts: 1,029 Thanks: 45 Thanked 235 Times in 157 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Get an Optima battery. It will solve all your issues.

01-23-2013, 08:45 PM	#23
jlu Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: Asphalt AT FR-S Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 194 Thanks: 89 Thanked 81 Times in 45 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've noticed that after driving through the hills in cold weather, it seems as if the car seems to lose power. It'll take longer to hit the higher RPMs and just feels sluggish overall. This is usually accompanied by difficulty starting up or very weak start-ups. Does anyone else have this problem?

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