Scion Buying Advice - Cash Rebates & Freebies

[Driver]

Originally Posted by Dark

I have heard all the crap when I bought motorcycle gears. Dealers and distributor were like "No discount on Sidi, and RS taichi (motorcycle gear brands)" because Sidi and RS taichi are really strict about dealer discount. I still can get at least 10-15% off. Most people hear about no discount, no haggle, pure pricing things, they don't bother haggling.
I doubt Toyota will take away the franchise from any dealer because they are here to do business. One dealer closed, number of sales decrease. IIRC, Toyota dealership got 3-5% of invoice price bonus each car they sell + they got the car lower than invoice price. If they sell less than MSRP, they still make thousands on a 20K car.

I didn't say they would shut down the dealership, I said a toyota dealer could/would lose the scion franchise within their toyota dealership and not be able to sell scions...

and the 3-5% bonus for selling cars in bogus. i dont know who told you that but it is wrong especially in the case of scion. that would mean Person A (toyota manufacture) sells a car to their retailer Person B (the dealership). Example to follow...

A sells the car to B for lets say $100. B sells the car to you for $105. A already got their money, they aren't going to turn around now and give B $1 because they sold a car. The manufactures like their customers, the dealers, but they dont like them that much. wouldn't it make more business sense to eliminate this "mystery bonus" $1 and just reduce the price initially from $105 to $104 and make said car more fiscally appealing to the ultimate consumer? Then again what do I know I'm just a humble vagina.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

not true. Special financing and leasing options are alway given for cars. Rebates happen on the time for cars irregardless of whether or not they have problems moving the car. The 2011 mazda I owned for 3 months had rebates as did the scion(though the tc was just for being military)

Point is, if the op is curious about rebates and buying options, he can keep an eye on the scion site when the car is released.

I can guarantee that if Scion makes the car reasonable priced they won't have to offer rebates or financing. You only do that when you can't move a product. That is Econ 101. For a new model year look at rebates on a WRX or STI vs a Outback or Forrester. Case close.

[Aznek]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I can guarantee that if Scion makes the car reasonable priced they won't have to offer rebates or financing. You only do that when you can't move a product. That is Econ 101. For a new model year look at rebates on a WRX or STI vs a Outback or Forrester. Case close.

I have seen dealers have put incentives out for new releases (possibly hot). The Fiesta, Elantra and Cruze all had incentives their first years out. The dealers would be having their yearly clearances in late summer and would have incentives for these recent vehicles as well.

But to be honest, I have never seen the same for a Scion product (probably because I had never really been looking into Toyotas products lately.)

[Aznek]

People are saying this will be a hot product and demand will be sky high. If it were a Toyota and had the Celica name on it, I might be inclined to agree. But this is a rear wheel drive coupe with superb handling but "moderate" power, made by Scion. You don't get much more niche than that.

In the end, I don't believe many people (outside of enthusiasts) will be aware of this vehicle. And an awesome handling vehicle is much hard to market than one with high HP.

I can see this car having slightly more market share than the TC.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I can guarantee that if Scion makes the car reasonable priced they won't have to offer rebates or financing. You only do that when you can't move a product. That is Econ 101. For a new model year look at rebates on a WRX or STI vs a Outback or Forrester. Case close.

I agree with you to a certain extend. If they can really move the car, don't expect any rebate. however, there are tenth of thousands of people interested in this car, but that doesn't mean all of those people will buy it. Why? Enthusiasts are minority. Some people who don't care about performance and handling would look at usability space and trunk. Most people want heavy cars with more power instead of a light weight sport car with less power because they care about isolation and comfort. This is why mass produced new Camry is criticized for being lighter (thinner sheet metal, and more wind noise) than the out going model. This is the reason why Toyota price this car close to tC in the US( I expect a few thousands more). It will not cannibalize tC sales.

[TylerLieberman]

And to add to that, this car might not be as popular as everybody thinks it will. A lot of people on these forums are obviously fond of the car but look at the overall market. People who want a 2dr coupe but still want a decent amount of leg room in the back, scratch this car out. People who want a turbocharged FR layout car, scratch this car out. People who want a car with more technology or factory performance, scratch this car out.

Now, I'm in no way dogging on this car cause I love it. But not everybody feels the same way. That being said, there's no way to make assumptions as to how this car is going to sell when we IN REALITY don't even know what the car is officially gonna look like here, have as standard here, and most importantly, what it will cost here.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Driver

I didn't say they would shut down the dealership, I said a toyota dealer could/would lose the scion franchise within their toyota dealership and not be able to sell scions...

and the 3-5% bonus for selling cars in bogus. i dont know who told you that but it is wrong especially in the case of scion. that would mean Person A (toyota manufacture) sells a car to their retailer Person B (the dealership). Example to follow...

A sells the car to B for lets say $100. B sells the car to you for $105. A already got their money, they aren't going to turn around now and give B $1 because they sold a car. The manufactures like their customers, the dealers, but they dont like them that much. wouldn't it make more business sense to eliminate this "mystery bonus" $1 and just reduce the price initially from $105 to $104 and make said car more fiscally appealing to the ultimate consumer? Then again what do I know I'm just a humble vagina.

What about the Scion dealerships in CA? Well, it doesn't matter. You can buy the car at MSRP price, I will haggle for lower.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

And to add to that, this car might not be as popular as everybody thinks it will. A lot of people on these forums are obviously fond of the car but look at the overall market. People who want a 2dr coupe but still want a decent amount of leg room in the back, scratch this car out. People who want a turbocharged FR layout car, scratch this car out. People who want a car with more technology or factory performance, scratch this car out.

Now, I'm in no way dogging on this car cause I love it. But not everybody feels the same way. That being said, there's no way to make assumptions as to how this car is going to sell when we IN REALITY don't even know what the car is officially gonna look like here, have as standard here, and most importantly, what it will cost here.

[HyperTech]

cant wait to see the official price and package from scion.

[Driver]

Originally Posted by Dark

What about the Scion dealerships in CA? Well, it doesn't matter. You can buy the car at MSRP price, I will haggle for lower.

i wasn't aware there were scion only dealerships anywhere. good luck getting the best price possible. enjoy your frs.

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by Driver

i wasn't aware there were scion only dealerships anywhere.

Yeah, there are quite a few of them here in CA. The one in my area is right next to the Toyota dealership and I am pretty sure its owned by the same person/family.

[Zaku]

It be great if they keep the grad thing, I grad with a second degree in about a year right in time to buy another car lol 1000$ off is pretty nifty. Ofcourse...they will be FRS that are being sold from random places like a FORD dealer as a second hand or a Toyota Used car lot even a honda. Then... Then you can haggle on your FRS, SCION's pure pricing thing I don't think you can haggle, it's like Carmax. I went to purchase a TC in 07 and they wouldn't give anything off of it. So I went to Honda and got 3G of an SI It was good life. Got the Si instead and drove it happily till I sold it in 2010 LOL

But for the OP yeah really hard to haggle SCION expect the price not to budge, espicially on this so called "HALO" model.

[Ak1m0to]

Knowing that Scion pricing won't budge when I bought my sister her TC.
We went to all the surrounding dealerships in Houston and asked what they could do.
We ended up getting free tint, an ipod, floormats, the lip spoiler, 3 free oil changes, and 12 free car washes.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Ak1m0to

Knowing that Scion pricing won't budge when I bought my sister her TC.
We went to all the surrounding dealerships in Houston and asked what they could do.
We ended up getting free tint, an ipod, floormats, the lip spoiler, 3 free oil changes, and 12 free car washes.

I would ask for more if I can't get discount. LOL