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Dezoris · 01-11-2013, 01:54 AM

I would still take a 458 over it

ayau · 01-11-2013, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

Hks striped an 86 and put suspension, intake, exhaust, lightweight rims and only posted a 1:07.44, im still wondering how they shaved another 6 seconds off to post a 1:01

Was the HKS running slicks? Can you post which HKS you're referring to?

carbonBLUE · 01-11-2013, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau

Was the HKS running slicks? Can you post which HKS you're referring to?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH-Jo9USitw"]ã€Tsukuba TIME ATTACKã€‘HKS 86 TUNING PROJECT Vol_02 - YouTube[/ame]

skip to 1:50

they were on a race tire but i dont know about slick , also was summer time when they did this vs griffon where it was during the end of the year when it was cooler

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

skip to 1:50

they were on a race tire but i dont know about slick , also was summer time when they did this vs griffon where it was during the end of the year when it was cooler

Yeah, those tires don't look as aggressive compared t the Griffon's. See 5:29.

cyde01 · 01-11-2013, 02:14 AM

4:19 looks like ad08 to me. wide slicks plus crazy downforce must be the answer, but 6 seconds is a pretty huge difference. TRD aero must be ridiculous.

sittinSideways · 01-11-2013, 02:14 AM

Impressive, though I'm curious to know how much they spent to make that car 3 milliseconds faster than the 458. Full carbon fiber can't be cheap.

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:19 AM

So the question is, can full race slicks shave 6 seconds off street tires (AD08) on a track like Tsukuba?

cyde01 · 01-11-2013, 02:25 AM

http://www.gazooracing.com/autosalon...list/trd86.asp

tire size for the slicks on the trd are 250/640R18 all around. how big are the ad08s on the hks?

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

http://www.gazooracing.com/autosalon...list/trd86.asp

tire size for the slicks on the trd are 250/640R18 all around. how big are the ad08s on the hks?

215/45/17
245/40/17

cyde01 · 01-11-2013, 02:35 AM

is that the same car? that says gt supercharger. don't tell me they were 6 seconds slower with a supercharger.

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cyde01

is that the same car? that says gt supercharger. don't tell me they were 6 seconds slower with a supercharger.

Oops, didn't see the power output.

Edit: Actually, would it be that hard to believe the HKS 86 400PS was 6s slower on street tires? The 458 posted a slower lap time than the Griffin 86, and we're assuming the 458 was on street tires.

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:46 AM

The 458 posted posted 1:02.24 at Tsukuba.

http://fastestlaps.com/laptimes/4db863d16129d.html

gabeg86 · 01-11-2013, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau

Oops, didn't see the power output.

Edit: Actually, would it be that hard to believe the HKS 86 400PS was 6s slower on street tires? The 458 posted a slower lap time than the Griffin 86, and we're assuming the 458 was on street tires.

good question, but they were trying to prove they could beat the lap time of the ferrari so i doubt they would mod it to make it even more difficult on themselves...

ayau · 01-11-2013, 02:57 AM

I think we can reasonably conclude that they used a stock 458 for this comparison.

Here's the breakdown.

Ferrari 458:
Lap time: 1:02.24
Power: 570PS / 562HP
Weight: 3042lbs
Front Tire: 235/35 ZR20
Rear Tire: 295/35 ZR20

Griffin 86:
Lap time: 1:01.872
Power: 200HP (stock)
Weight: ~2276lbs (500lbs weight reduction)
Front/Rear Tire: 250/640R18 Yokohama racing slicks

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cyde01 ft86club resident b-boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Yamaha R3, moonslate 2018 GT Black Location: LA Area So Cal Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 142 Thanked 208 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	is that the same car? that says gt supercharger. don't tell me they were 6 seconds slower with a supercharger.

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ayau Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Some rust bucket Location: Polar ice cap Posts: 3,054 Thanks: 312 Thanked 1,044 Times in 555 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think we can reasonably conclude that they used a stock 458 for this comparison. Here's the breakdown. Ferrari 458: Lap time: 1:02.24 Power: 570PS / 562HP Weight: 3042lbs Front Tire: 235/35 ZR20 Rear Tire: 295/35 ZR20 Griffin 86: Lap time: 1:01.872 Power: 200HP (stock) Weight: ~2276lbs (500lbs weight reduction) Front/Rear Tire: 250/640R18 Yokohama racing slicks

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