Track Brake Pad Discussion Thread

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by CSG David

If you haven't worked with proper track pads, don't discuss BBK. BBK works, but if you use them incorrectly, your braking distances are increases despite having less fade issues. This is actually a repeatable observable occurrence which seems to be overlooked.

Yep. Depending on the BBK there are some that actually add rotational weight which is bad.


My desire to get the car as light as possible whilst keeping it streetable means I'm likely going to go with the 4-pot Wilwood kit.

Originally Posted by CSG David

Brake ducting is a popular subject and should not be overused. Some pads like heat and some don't.

I previously ran Carbotech XP10 on my Miata with Wilwood's front and rear. I never had an issue with brake temps, but from the other guys like Andrew at TrackSpeed and Emilio at 949Racing, keeping them cool dramatically extends their life.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I previously ran Carbotech XP10 on my Miata with Wilwood's front and rear. I never had an issue with brake temps, but from the other guys like Andrew at TrackSpeed and Emilio at 949Racing, keeping them cool dramatically extends their life.

Relatively speaking, Wilwoods on a Miata is a LOT more brake than the AP Racing Sprint on the FRS...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

Sadly this car was never meant to be lapped after I got my Miata but now that I have realized I am too tall to pass the broomstick test even with a modded seat this is all I have

If I had more time I could have figured something out but I only have two weeks now and I just realized last week I am screwed.

That's enough time to get you some serious race pads...

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's enough time to get you some serious race pads...

At a significant cost

What would you recommend? I've got probably 10 lapping days under my belt, tons more auto x. Might average 3-4 lapping days a summer if I am lucky due to not having a track near me. 260WHP/195WTQ, 255 Z2s.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Hybrid pads are generally meant to be used for absolute noobs. You're not a noob anymore so get some pads designed and engineered for your specific application. We've been preaching this for years and we have many converts...mostly from just telling people to try it out.

Yep XP10's on the way. I've stuck with hybrids as long as I could, but I think I'm at the end of the line with them.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by BRZZZZZZZZZZ

At a significant cost

What would you recommend? I've got probably 10 lapping days under my belt, tons more auto x. Might average 3-4 lapping days a summer if I am lucky due to not having a track near me. 260WHP/195WTQ, 255 Z2s.

Club Racer, XP12, W6

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Relatively speaking, Wilwoods on a Miata is a LOT more brake than the AP Racing Sprint on the FRS...

Yes, this is very true. One day we even took it out and shared it with a friend, I think we pulled 12 20 minute sessions, ours were always back-to-back. No problems.


I'm hoping the smaller Wilwoods + XP10 or XP12 + ducting will be enough since Hallett is relatively easy on brakes for momentum cars.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Yep. Depending on the BBK there are some that actually add rotational weight which is bad.


My desire to get the car as light as possible whilst keeping it streetable means I'm likely going to go with the 4-pot Wilwood kit.





I previously ran Carbotech XP10 on my Miata with Wilwood's front and rear. I never had an issue with brake temps, but from the other guys like Andrew at TrackSpeed and Emilio at 949Racing, keeping them cool dramatically extends their life.

Carbotechs run hot and do benefit from ducting. Other brake pads don't.

Like I was I saying, it's not always the end all type of statement to run ducting.

Side note, Miata brake setup logic can't be used on the BRZ/FRS. I've seen Spec Miatas run XP8 or XP10s for full seasons and a half on RA1s. LOL!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Carbotechs run hot and do benefit from ducting. Other brake pads don't.

Like I was I saying, it's not always the end all type of statement to run ducting.

Side note, Miata brake setup logic can't be used on the BRZ/FRS. I've seen Spec Miatas run XP8 or XP10s for full seasons and a half on RA1s. LOL!

Good to know on the Carbotechs, perhaps that's why I read lots of problems with people getting them bedded properly in the Miata world. You've really got to hammer them until the smell like a burnt clutch for a good transfer layer.


Yeah, BRZ is definitely heavier and more powerful, but I'll on Direzza Star Specs instead of R-comps. I'll just have to wait and see!

[ck-GT86]

Originally Posted by CSG David

Carbotechs run hot and do benefit from ducting. Other brake pads don't.

Like I was I saying, it's not always the end all type of statement to run ducting.

Side note, Miata brake setup logic can't be used on the BRZ/FRS. I've seen Spec Miatas run XP8 or XP10s for full seasons and a half on RA1s. LOL!

Good to know they run hot, im running xp8's this time around. Pads run pretty good on Laguna

. ck

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Good to know on the Carbotechs, perhaps that's why I read lots of problems with people getting them bedded properly in the Miata world. You've really got to hammer them until the smell like a burnt clutch for a good transfer layer.


Yeah, BRZ is definitely heavier and more powerful, but I'll on Direzza Star Specs instead of R-comps. I'll just have to wait and see!

The brake setup compared to the other platforms as stated are all mutually exclusive. We've already done the tedious task on understanding what brake setup works well for individual applications. We don't just sell product just to sell product...every product we back has had a reasonable amount of testing done to prove those products. If you have any questions on brake setups, let us know. We're also pretty good friends with the 949Racing guys and have interacted with them well before this platform was even an idea.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by ck-GT86

Good to know they run hot, im running xp8's this time around. Pads run pretty good on Laguna

. ck

When we hot lap, we run much more aggressive pads on factory calipers at minimum for Laguna on street tires. It's pretty frustrating running lesser setups as brake management is more of an issue if you want to continue lapping a consistent pace.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by CSG David

If you have any questions on brake setups, let us know.

OK so in my case, what would you recommend for pads since I'm going to use the Wilwood kit (32lbs off the front of the car!), that I can run all the time or won't need a special procedure to run a street/AutoX pad on?


I was thinking XP12s and just deal with dust/noise on the street since they aren't hard on rotors and they dust doesn't destroy your wheel finish if it gets wet.


Carbotech used to stay not to switch between the AX6 and the XP series, but I thought remembered Emilio saying this isn't true anymore. Thoughts?


I'm open to other brands, but I've got a bunch of experience with Carbotechs on two different brake setups on Miata's and always liked the feel on the pedal.

[Sleepless]

I run XP12s on the street during the track season. They aren't very noisy IMO.

I occasionally switch to street pads (stock) and haven't had any issues with the compound swapping.

Seems that daily driving pretty much removes all the brake compound layer from the rotors.