Subaru BRZ STi to be £2k higher than the £24,995 Entry level BRZ

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

20-30hp is not a big difference in acceleration unless its through the whole powerband. Peak power isnt my thing.

Yeah, I would just want a smoother power band, so more mid-range torque to fix the dip, and maybe another 10-20 HP on top. I think that would be pretty much perfect. But I certainly wouldn't want to sacrifice any low-end torque for high-end power either.

[Kamus]

Originally Posted by DanoFA20

to me its just the 2 companies trying to appease the cry babies who wanted a turbo model and care about numbers..

Wrong. There's plenty of reasons to want a turbo other than "numbers".

In my case i would take the Subaru 1.6 turbo they showed a while back over the 2.0 N/A. you could get the same power and probably even better MPG. and you would get some nice torque to go along with that.
Also, a car like this has adequate performance at sea level. But i guarantee you this car feels downright slow at high altitude. Which believe it or not, is where a HUGE chunk of the population lives.

I live at high altitude, at around 1400 ft. above sea level. And i can tell you, i would probably end up with a lot more "real world" performance out of the smaller 1.6 turbo engine than i would out of the N/A 2.0, since turbos don't lose nearly as much power at high altitude as N/A cars do. (they still take a significant hit, just not as big)

Now, obviously i'm talking about the base model here, if they offered the two engines with at around the same price i'd pick the turbo 1.6 over the 2.0 any day of the week. now, a 2.0 turbo would of course use more fuel than the 2.0 N/A, but of course you also get a lot more power, so that's expected.

Also, Toyota has always said that this car had aftermarket tuners in mind all along. So from a price/potential perspective a turbo would've made a lot of sense.

[DanoFA20]

Originally Posted by Kamus

Wrong. There's plenty of reasons to want a turbo other than "numbers".

In my case i would take the Subaru 1.6 turbo they showed a while back over the 2.0 N/A. you could get the same power and probably even better MPG. and you would get some nice torque to go along with that.
Also, a car like this has adequate performance at sea level. But i guarantee you this car feels downright slow at high altitude. Which believe it or not, is where a HUGE chunk of the population lives.

I live at high altitude, at around 1400 ft. above sea level. And i can tell you, i would probably end up with a lot more "real world" performance out of the smaller 1.6 turbo engine than i would out of the N/A 2.0, since turbos don't lose nearly as much power at high altitude as N/A cars do. (they still take a significant hit, just not as big)

Now, obviously i'm talking about the base model here, if they offered the two engines with at around the same price i'd pick the turbo 1.6 over the 2.0 any day of the week. now, a 2.0 turbo would of course use more fuel than the 2.0 N/A, but of course you also get a lot more power, so that's expected.

Also, Toyota has always said that this car had aftermarket tuners in mind all along. So from a price/potential perspective a turbo would've made a lot of sense.

you are correct i agree

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Stuff

Made this thread worth reading.

[Jaylyons1]

Going to be at least $6k more. Which would go against the reason I purchased mine to start with.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by Wise

lol a nice big fuck you to reward the early adopters.

yup! and the beat goes on! ehe! he! he! ya just lost 2k on your
"'standard" version (o.t.d!). ahhh! evolution of the design! a wonderful thing!
never! ever! forget! a car,(no matter WHAT type,) is a "depreciating" asset always,and
forever! just buy the car ,and drive it into the f**kin' ground,don't worry about anything else!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by RRnold

If this is true then this will be a huge to all of those who had to have the first year production!

count on it! f**ked again! by cracky!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by RRnold

If this is true then this will be a huge to all of those who had to have the first year production!

Originally Posted by Wise

lol a nice big fuck you to reward the early adopters.

can you say i like money? it's called "capitalism",and the japanese
are experts at it! if ya don't think so,just ask them,and they will tell ya!
for example: IF the demand for THIS car should diminish after a few years,
watch how "fast" they pull it off the market! they could care 2 sh**s less about "'sentimentality" they are NOT american car builders. car will be gone because it doesn't sell,period.
another example: honda "refreshed" the civic in 9 months,because one consumer publication thought the car sucked! well guess what? the '12 version that sucked is outselling all compact cars to date this year,and they STILL changed it,because they THINK the car will lose sales,AND money! civic
outsells corolla,and elantra,and ford! 250,000 and counting,all this because magazines thought the car sucked! (w.t.f!)

[Beyer Subaru]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Awesomeness.

Yes, waiter. I'll have what ever he just had. Thank You.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

You couldn't care less

the zig zag man knows!

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

can you say i like money? it's called "capitalism",and the japanese
are experts at it! if ya don't think so,just ask them,and they will tell ya!
for example: IF the demand for THIS car should diminish after a few years,
watch how "fast" they pull it off the market! they could care 2 sh**s less about "'sentimentality" they are NOT american car builders. car will be gone because it doesn't sell,period.
another example: honda "refreshed" the civic in 9 months,because one consumer publication thought the car sucked! well guess what? the '12 version that sucked is outselling all compact cars to date this year,and they STILL changed it,because they THINK the car will lose sales,AND money! civic
outsells corolla,and elantra,and ford! 250,000 and counting,all this because magazines thought the car sucked! (w.t.f!)

Well thats what seperates the American car manufactures from the Japanese. If an American car got horrible reviews, they'll keep it in production and pass it off to the car rental companies.

[Ingen]

Originally Posted by Bounce

Wonder if they'll actually make proper side skirts/bumpers

None of this pasted on TRD/toyota aero kit shit.

Lol nope.

The tooling needed to build it into the car would cost a ton and never be offset. Get used to double sided tape.

[ScionRacer]

Originally Posted by DanoFA20

if you truly understand how light weight really takes its toll on acceleration youd be amazed how 20-30hp will make this car insanely better. if the frs and brz had another 40-50 hp it really would be perfection which i intend to gain around that with bolt ons i really could care less about an sti or trd version of our cars. i think the one we have is wonderful, if people want turbo or supercharger they have them on after market, yes it will void warrantee but you also only need to spend around 3800 $ for the AVO turbo kit to put down 250 wheel which is around 275-285 at the crankshaft.

2k more is a joke.

most likely they will raise the price by 7-8000 so this car being an affordable lightweight fuel efficient fun sports car will no longer be in that category.

turbo eats more fuel when you go into boost, maintenance will be more, price tag higher. no longer the affordable everyday joes sports car. at that point id rather get an STI it would actually be around the same price or less since you can haggle price with the STI. this is just my thoughts on this but. i like the twins the way they are with bolt ons they would be marvelous.

I totally agree,after the initial break and a good flogging,I felt another 30 hp would really make these cars perfect.It would probably be able to just crack a 13 sec 1/4 mile under good conditions.Which is fast enough for a daily driver.

I am no fan of turbo or supercharging unless it comes that way from the factory.They are built to handle the application.Unlike going the aftermarket route,where you are constantly chasing the next bottle neck or weak point to keep the car reliable and running at peak.

It does not stop with a turbo,because next is fuel management,then a clutch,then better tires,then better axle shafts,then a better transmission,usually in that order.

I just want the best the factory has to offer,I also prefer NA myself,but if the car was designed around a FI setup,i would take it.

[DanoFA20]

Originally Posted by ScionRacer

I totally agree,after the initial break and a good flogging,I felt another 30 hp would really make these cars perfect.It would probably be able to just crack a 13 sec 1/4 mile under good conditions.Which is fast enough for a daily driver.

I am no fan of turbo or supercharging unless it comes that way from the factory.They are built to handle the application.Unlike going the aftermarket route,where you are constantly chasing the next bottle neck or weak point to keep the car reliable and running at peak.

It does not stop with a turbo,because next is fuel management,then a clutch,then better tires,then better axle shafts,then a better transmission,usually in that order.

I just want the best the factory has to offer,I also prefer NA myself,but if the car was designed around a FI setup,i would take it.

my thoughts exactly plus Na is the route of real race cars

i also read that ECUtek stg 1 tune adds roughly 10-13 whp plus an exhaust and for me its all about handling so with those 2 mods plus lots of suspension work ill be verrry pleased i think the car is very incredibly well balanced id be happy with another 20-40 hp at the crank extra , if you look at most F1 cars they have like 600 hp but they only make 200-250 trq trq is good for low end street driving but hp is more important on a track imo .

you can lay into the throttle while cornering with less torque and not worry about oversteer as much and maximize grip while exiting.