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[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Spuds

It's over for literally everyone who matters. The protests were dropped, Merc isn't going to protest more, everyone has packed up and gone home.

I'm looking forward to seeing the 2022 cars and how they go.

Even if they had reversed it or taken it higher, I don't think it would have been the right decision. It played out on track, let it be.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Spuds

It's over for literally everyone who matters. The protests were dropped, Merc isn't going to protest more, everyone has packed up and gone home.

I'm looking forward to seeing the 2022 cars and how they go.

Lawyers have families to feed too.... they're waiting for their turn

[x808drifter]

Originally Posted by Spuds

It's over for literally everyone who matters. The protests were dropped, Merc isn't going to protest more, everyone has packed up and gone home.

I'm looking forward to seeing the 2022 cars and how they go.

So all the news about them appealing the decision to ICA and then possibly to CAS is what? "Fake News"

It's sad that a lot of people clearly are so biased they can't even admit there's fuckery happening.

I hope if anything happens at all they fire Masi.

[Espi]

Edit: youtube search " Fernando Alonso's reaction to being told that lapped cars can't overtake


Even Alonso "Gets It" but Merc Fans see it the other way? All year cars have been let past on safety car. Let's be honest here, Hamilton wanted to pit, his team told him to stay out. That is where they lost the race.

Masi correcting himself to release the lapped cars is the same situation he's followed all year.

Hamilton and Mercedes were prepared to fight Max on fresh tires even before the call to let the back markers through.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

So all the news about them appealing the decision to ICA and then possibly to CAS is what? "Fake News"

It's sad that a lot of people clearly are so biased they can't even admit there's fuckery happening.

I hope if anything happens at all they fire Masi.

I was not aware they had done that.

At this point I think they should just tar and feather Masi and move on to next year.

Originally Posted by Espi

Even Alonso "Gets It" but Merc Fans see it the other way? All year cars have been let past on safety car. Let's be honest here, Hamilton wanted to pit, his team told him to stay out. That is where they lost the race.

Masi correcting himself to release the lapped cars is the same situation he's followed all year.

Hamilton and Mercedes were prepared to fight Max on fresh tires even before the call to let the back markers through.

This is what Merc is on about. I am just going to copy and paste from another source since it is easier then typing.

The regulation is then explicit about when the race can be restarted.

It states: “Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

“If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system “

This clause suggests that with the lapped car message having come out on lap 57, then the restart could only come at the end of the ‘following lap’- so lap 58, which was the end of the race.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

So all the news about them appealing the decision to ICA and then possibly to CAS is what? "Fake News"

It's sad that a lot of people clearly are so biased they can't even admit there's fuckery happening.

I hope if anything happens at all they fire Masi.

Man, you need a chill pill bud. I wasn't aware they were trying to take it further, that's all that's going on. Though I don't think it's going to go anywhere. What are they going to do, penalize Max or Red Bull for the FIA's decision? You want the championship decided in a court room? I doubt even Hamilton wants that.

Hindsight is 20/20 (or in this case 2021). Yes, it would have been better for a red flag right when the car crashed. But that wasn't the ruling on the field so to speak. We can't go back and do it over again.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I was not aware they had done that.

At this point I think they should just tar and feather Masi and move on to next year.



This is what Merc is on about. I am just going to copy and paste from another source since it is easier then typing.

The regulation is then explicit about when the race can be restarted.

It states: “Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.

“If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system “

This clause suggests that with the lapped car message having come out on lap 57, then the restart could only come at the end of the ‘following lap’- so lap 58, which was the end of the race.

I'm pretty sure there is precedence for going off-script here. I could be remembering incorrectly, but I recall they have called out specific cars allowed to pass before, and they didn't get a chance to rejoin the pack before going racing.

[cjd]

Only the cars between the front two were allowed to pass. That's weird. Other drivers found it weird.

There is no way for any call to not dictate the race outcome. They knew this meant it was probably handing the win to Max, but there was a chance otherwise (see Checo expertly defending earlier in the race) but it's still shady as heck just because of the inconsistencies - both this race and all season. Max had zero ducks to give and sent it. I'm not convinced he'd have played nice if Lewis had found a pass opportunity... Or maybe that happened and Lewis backed off.
Either way, RB and Max have put themselves on the list I'll root against. And I like Checo, so that's disappointing he's on a shit team. Oh well.

[kinghurl]

Originally Posted by x808drifter

So all the news about them appealing the decision to ICA and then possibly to CAS is what? "Fake News"



It's sad that a lot of people clearly are so biased they can't even admit there's fuckery happening.



I hope if anything happens at all they fire Masi.

100% Masi and his gang have been a disgrace to the premier motorsport event. Their inconsistency throughout the year means drivers just try shit and see what sticks, every weekend. F1 has all these rules and Masi and gang have made a mess of it. That last parting gift of letting SOME lapped cars unlap themselves was literally done for the show of it and not according to the very rules they claim to adhere to. Fire his ass..."Um, Michael, this is Ross, you're done here. Thank you. No, there is no appeal. Perhaps WWE has some openings."

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[TommyW]

F1 was getting stale. Another championship for LH would be more stale. It is what it is.

Put em both out alone for 5 laps with softs and have at it. No penalties, take the gloves off...

That would sum up the whole season

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by kinghurl

100% Masi and his gang have been a disgrace to the premier motorsport event. Their inconsistency throughout the year means drivers just try shit and see what sticks, every weekend. F1 has all these rules and Masi and gang have made a mess of it. That last parting gift of letting SOME lapped cars unlap themselves was literally done for the show of it and not according to the very rules they claim to adhere to. Fire his ass..."Um, Michael, this is Ross, you're done here. Thank you. No, there is no appeal. Perhaps WWE has some openings."

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You mean the stewards that change from race to race? I hardly call that a gang. Masi is the race director responsible for safety. Do you really want to put 4 slow cars in between Max and Lewis on a restart? That seems quite unsafe to me.

If you are so bitter about it, don't watch. F1 follows the money and they get money from you watching it.

[wolffbite]

I'm just glad the race ended with both championship contenders crossing the finish line.

The circumstances leading up to that final lap are going to be hotly debated until the new season starts. Hopefully some kind of precedence is set for more consistent rule enforcement going forward...

Happy for Max to get his first, and for RBR to secure another WDC. It was a very exciting season to watch unfold. I can only hope 2022 regs moving forward can provide more competitive racing.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Spuds

You mean the stewards that change from race to race? I hardly call that a gang. Masi is the race director responsible for safety. Do you really want to put 4 slow cars in between Max and Lewis on a restart? That seems quite unsafe to me.

If you are so bitter about it, don't watch. F1 follows the money and they get money from you watching it.

Then why did they leave two "slow cars" (ric and Bottas) between Sainz and Max? Either all lapped cars get a pass or none, this half hearted freebie is basically unprecedented.

All the lapped cars would've jumped out of Max's way with blue flags being shown to them, it would've been a non issue with 3 laps of green and then Max would've had drs on Hamilton.

Masi took a situation with three by the book reasonable outcomes, two of which gives Max a shot at winning, and made up a fourth scenario that favors Max.

Edit actually four scenarios that would've been fair, two that seem equal, one for Lewis and one for Max. And masi magicked up a fifth.

[kinghurl]

Originally Posted by Spuds

You mean the stewards that change from race to race? I hardly call that a gang. Masi is the race director responsible for safety. Do you really want to put 4 slow cars in between Max and Lewis on a restart? That seems quite unsafe to me.

If you are so bitter about it, don't watch. F1 follows the money and they get money from you watching it.

As race director Masi is responsible for ensuing stewards follow a consistent application of the rule book-like Charlie did successfully for all those years. The only reason to let SOME cars unlap themselves and not ALL (as per their own rules) was for the show-a-la WWE-all for the show. This isn't WWE however. You hear each of the top team bosses arguing for consistency in rule application. So not a matter of being bitter about it. This is a discussion forum-so opinions are being expressed. The comment about the money is spot on-that however is not what they claim with the FIAs continuous reference to the rule book. Either use it or don't, but treating it like a buffet menu depending on moods of the stewards debases the whole thing.