HELP!!! FR-S Shutdown all lights on the dash came on!!!

[FRSowner]

If the 4000rpm limit during the 'break-in period' was intensively important, the car makers could easily program the ECU to limit engine rpms to whatever level they wanted until a certain mileage was reached, then the limit would be lifted.
It would save on warranty work, upset customers, and recalls.
The only problem as I see it is that the customers would have to be made aware of these limits until a certain mileage was reached. Since so few owners actually read the owner's manual, they would have to put stickers ALL OVER the car to educate buyers.
AS far as doing a burnout before 4000 miles was reached, I'm sure many many test driven cars experienced this with little to no longevity problems.
I suspect that the OP is experiencing some sort of electrical issue(s).

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by DaJoian

LULNUTHN...

Here, let me explain... Because obviously you don't understand.

Assuming this problem is due to the fact that the engine did not break in properly, and the OP "peeled off" the parking lot at cold start...to amuse friends.

Engine that start up cold = thick oil = cannot get between the cam gears, piston rings and cylinder walls, and etc for proper lubrication.

So now you race the cold new engine that hasn't seat it's piston rings properly without proper lubrication; what do you get?

I'll let you figure that one out.

If you are racing the engine when there is improper lubrication to some of the engines vital components especially during a cold start... It could lead to engine seize. I'm just saying it's "possible".

Please. Break an engine in making dyno pulls and get back to me.

[TuxedoCartman]

Originally Posted by FRSowner

If the 4000rpm limit during the 'break-in period' was intensively important, the car makers could easily program the ECU to limit engine rpms to whatever level they wanted until a certain mileage was reached, then the limit would be lifted.
It would save on warranty work, upset customers, and recalls.
The only problem as I see it is that the customers would have to be made aware of these limits until a certain mileage was reached. Since so few owners actually read the owner's manual, they would have to put stickers ALL OVER the car to educate buyers.
AS far as doing a burnout before 4000 miles was reached, I'm sure many many test driven cars experienced this with little to no longevity problems.
I suspect that the OP is experiencing some sort of electrical issue(s).

The 4000 rpm limit is immensely important... to long-term reliability of the car. Do you think dealerships will be upset if your showboating today winds up with you getting out of warranty extensive engine work done in 3 years time w/ 45,000 on the engine, as opposed to 10 years down the road with over 150,000 miles on the odometer? Hell no! That's easy money for them.

And what makes you think they "have to put stickers all over the car" regarding break-in periods? They're not responsible for educating the buyer in this way; I mean, it's pretty damn basic common sense that doing burnouts, drifting, and hard-revving a brand new engine are hard on a vehicle. And when you drive your cars harder, then they won't last as long. Simple fact of reality there. I really don't get where people think they're "entitled" to do burnouts and stoplight drags in their cars, and expect them to last as long as a librarian's Camry commuter... all because Toyota markets this as a sports car. Being a "sports car" doesn't change the laws of physics regarding wear-and-tear, guys.

[FRSowner]

Originally Posted by TuxedoCartman

The 4000 rpm limit is immensely important... to long-term reliability of the car. Do you think dealerships will be upset if your showboating today winds up with you getting out of warranty extensive engine work done in 3 years time w/ 45,000 on the engine, as opposed to 10 years down the road with over 150,000 miles on the odometer? Hell no! That's easy money for them.

And what makes you think they "have to put stickers all over the car" regarding break-in periods? They're not responsible for educating the buyer in this way; I mean, it's pretty damn basic common sense that doing burnouts, drifting, and hard-revving a brand new engine are hard on a vehicle. And when you drive your cars harder, then they won't last as long. Simple fact of reality there. I really don't get where people think they're "entitled" to do burnouts and stoplight drags in their cars, and expect them to last as long as a librarian's Camry commuter... all because Toyota markets this as a sports car. Being a "sports car" doesn't change the laws of physics regarding wear-and-tear, guys.

I'm not sure you read all of my post or maybe I didn't express myself well - I feel it would be in a car manufacturers best interest to electronically limit the rpms of an engine during their designated 'break-in' period. In the long run, it would add to the longevity of their vehicles and cut down on service time. The dealerships would lose some business but they might make up for it with better reputations (maybe not).
Educating (not policing) the public is always a good idea. Common sense isn't so common. If it were, there would be significantly lower DWI incidents and no one would smoke or take illegal narcotics. But people still do these things despite all the warnings, education, etc., so having the stickers all over the car would just be a way for the car makers to not only alert/educate buyers/owner but also to avoid liability. When Johnny Racer takes his week old Zoomer 2000X back to the dealer and complains that it won't rev over 4000rpms, all the dealer has to do is ask Johnny "Did you read those stickers that you ripped off the dashboard, steering wheel, windshield, and gas filler cap? Did you read the owner's manual?" Case closed. Johnny drives conservatively until the break-in period is reached, then he can trash his new car all he wants and when the dealership pulls his ECU history and finds out that he's been shifting at 9000 rpm, "Sorry Mr. Racer, you're fucked!"

So, to sum it up, if they want people like Johnny Racer (and there's some of Johnny Racer in everyone that owns a FR-S/BRZ), to abide by their 'breakin' suggestions, take away the choice to not use common sense and limit the car electronically.

[norm24]

Originally Posted by tric

A few min ago, pulled out from my driveway the check engine light came on. i ignore it thinking its a minor whatever. i'll take it to the dealer in the morn. but by the time i got to the end on my block all lights came on and i felt i lost the power steer. so i pulled over turn it off for a few second and now it just grinds the motor & wont turn over.

-Battery Check
-Starter Check
-All the Lights are still on when you turn on the ignition

me and my friends pushed it back to my driveway.

this could be the result of an idiotic act i did a few days ago. trying to prove my SCION. i peeled off @ 109 miles.

Could this void my warranty/or whatever coverage i have?
Could i loose the car?
btw im leasing from "millennium toyota"

im @#$%'ed...

What did I say in my post from your other thread? You should have been more concerned about the CEL than the badge. The CEL already reared it's ugly head when you 'peeled-off'. You ignored it, instead worry about your image driving a Scion and all...

I would have taken it to the dealership that day. Yet you, on the other hand, was too pre-occupied with the badge that you ignored it and now it's back and the car won't even run at all.

You could have saved yourself all this trouble if only you had the brains to do the right thing the first time. Fortunately, you're still under warranty and I believe you get free towing service as well. I hope you get your car fixed under warranty... Good luck...

[Books]

Originally Posted by FRSowner

I'm not sure you read all of my post or maybe I didn't express myself well - I feel it would be in a car manufacturers best interest to electronically limit the rpms of an engine during their designated 'break-in' period. In the long run, it would add to the longevity of their vehicles and cut down on service time. The dealerships would lose some business but they might make up for it with better reputations (maybe not).
Educating (not policing) the public is always a good idea. Common sense isn't so common. If it were, there would be significantly lower DWI incidents and no one would smoke or take illegal narcotics. But people still do these things despite all the warnings, education, etc., so having the stickers all over the car would just be a way for the car makers to not only alert/educate buyers/owner but also to avoid liability. When Johnny Racer takes his week old Zoomer 2000X back to the dealer and complains that it won't rev over 4000rpms, all the dealer has to do is ask Johnny "Did you read those stickers that you ripped off the dashboard, steering wheel, windshield, and gas filler cap? Did you read the owner's manual?" Case closed. Johnny drives conservatively until the break-in period is reached, then he can trash his new car all he wants and when the dealership pulls his ECU history and finds out that he's been shifting at 9000 rpm, "Sorry Mr. Racer, you're fucked!"

So, to sum it up, if they want people like Johnny Racer (and there's some of Johnny Racer in everyone that owns a FR-S/BRZ), to abide by their 'breakin' suggestions, take away the choice to not use common sense and limit the car electronically.

I don't agree. Just because you (as an example) plan to keep your car for a long time doesn't mean that everyone else does. And I don't believe there should be more regulation than there already is, like NHTSA wanting all cars to have backup cameras. We are not kids, we are adults. If you are able to buy a car, you should be able to read the manual. Not to mention that you need to pass a driving test, which requires reading and actually passing a test. And lastly, how in the world were you able to come up with $25k or more to buy the car? So those not reading the manual (Or those who always skip the end user docs and click "I agree") it is entirely their fault. Car companies are not your babysitters. All the documentation is there. We are adults.

Taking away choice limit the car electronically? That is insane. If it was "common sense" the FR-S would not exist. We would all be driving hybrids. We would have two real back seats. We would all be driving automatics. Taking away choice is going down a slippery slope.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by FRSowner

I'm not sure you read all of my post or maybe I didn't express myself well - I feel it would be in a car manufacturers best interest to electronically limit the rpms of an engine during their designated 'break-in' period. In the long run, it would add to the longevity of their vehicles and cut down on service time. The dealerships would lose some business but they might make up for it with better reputations (maybe not).
Educating (not policing) the public is always a good idea. Common sense isn't so common. If it were, there would be significantly lower DWI incidents and no one would smoke or take illegal narcotics. But people still do these things despite all the warnings, education, etc., so having the stickers all over the car would just be a way for the car makers to not only alert/educate buyers/owner but also to avoid liability. When Johnny Racer takes his week old Zoomer 2000X back to the dealer and complains that it won't rev over 4000rpms, all the dealer has to do is ask Johnny "Did you read those stickers that you ripped off the dashboard, steering wheel, windshield, and gas filler cap? Did you read the owner's manual?" Case closed. Johnny drives conservatively until the break-in period is reached, then he can trash his new car all he wants and when the dealership pulls his ECU history and finds out that he's been shifting at 9000 rpm, "Sorry Mr. Racer, you're fucked!"

So, to sum it up, if they want people like Johnny Racer (and there's some of Johnny Racer in everyone that owns a FR-S/BRZ), to abide by their 'breakin' suggestions, take away the choice to not use common sense and limit the car electronically.

This is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet all day. And I've been on YouTube.

You want manufacturers to dictate the way people use their products. You want manufacturers to be able to track the way those products are used. All because some kid taking his car to redline off the dealership lot takes that motor from a 250k mile lifespan to a 240k mile lifespan? The car will be so far out of warranty by the time the break-in style really matters that manufacturers have ZERO interest in alienating buyers by trying to control their behavior.

[jellygorilla]

Not only does OP's story piss me off but his asinine grammar really rustles my jimmies.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by FRSowner

If the 4000rpm limit during the 'break-in period' was intensively important, the car makers could easily program the ECU to limit engine rpms to whatever level they wanted until a certain mileage was reached, then the limit would be lifted.
It would save on warranty work, upset customers, and recalls.

I wonder two things from this post.

1) How would this "smart" ECU know if you are in an emergency and NEED to go over 4k, like the manual states.

2) How many money do you think they would have to pay off from accidents happening because the driver could not avoid a situation due to the car only going up to 4K RPM..


I wonder, I wonder...

[FRSowner]

Originally Posted by Books

I don't agree. Just because you (as an example) plan to keep your car for a long time doesn't mean that everyone else does. And I don't believe there should be more regulation than there already is, like NHTSA wanting all cars to have backup cameras. We are not kids, we are adults. If you are able to buy a car, you should be able to read the manual. Not to mention that you need to pass a driving test, which requires reading and actually passing a test. And lastly, how in the world were you able to come up with $25k or more to buy the car? So those not reading the manual (Or those who always skip the end user docs and click "I agree") it is entirely their fault. Car companies are not your babysitters. All the documentation is there. We are adults.

Taking away choice limit the car electronically? That is insane. If it was "common sense" the FR-S would not exist. We would all be driving hybrids. We would have two real back seats. We would all be driving automatics. Taking away choice is going down a slippery slope.

"LSxJunkie - This is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet all day. And I've been on YouTube.

You want manufacturers to dictate the way people use their products. You want manufacturers to be able to track the way those products are used. All because some kid taking his car to redline off the dealership lot takes that motor from a 250k mile lifespan to a 240k mile lifespan? The car will be so far out of warranty by the time the break-in style really matters that manufacturers have ZERO interest in alienating buyers by trying to control their behavior."

I never said I was in favor of it. I'm not, but it would be a way for them to force owners to abide by their break-in suggestions. I'm not in favor of seat belt laws, helmet laws, airbags or the other safety equipment that is forced on us. These items are on modern cars due to insurance company lobbying politicians to make them mandatory. Very few, if anyone begged the car manufacturers to force us to add these these things to our cars, but they are there anyway "for our own safety".
So, to sum it up, if they want people like Johnny Racer (and there's some of Johnny Racer in everyone that owns a FR-S/BRZ), to abide by their 'breakin' suggestions, take away the choice to not use common sense and limit the car electronically.
FWIW, I use seat belts and helmets religiously because I value my safety but I think as an adult, it should be MY choice to do so and not a mandate (kids are a different matter).
Another thing, if you disagree, that's fine, you can still be polite and civil - you don't have to be a fucking asshole with your response.
But maybe that's just the way you are - a fucking asshole.

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Please. Break an engine in making dyno pulls and get back to me.

dyno pulls in 3rd and dropping a clutch to show off are nowhere similarly retarded on a 100 mile motor. one is MUCH much dumber than the other. one presents much tougher conditions to the motor

I reved well past 4000 rpms to ensure proper seating of my piston rings about 60 miles into ownership, I also did it gradually, and not suddenly, and after 200 miles hitting 4000 on decel and accell, then 50000 on decel and accel and yes, I even enjoyed getting to 7000 revs, but did so for a moment, on a warm motor, and then babied it for the next few hundred miles before redline became an every day thing, as it is now after 1500 miles.

that said, I suspect more a mechanical issue than a user error, tho I bet it helped a bunch, its not a coincidence ya beat it and it broke

the oil flow characteristics, shock loads, etc differ greatly between the two prove yourself methods...

not that dyno pulls on a sub 500 mile motor is much smarter


FRSOWNER, take it EASY

[jeebus]

jesus christ there is a lot of retarded advice on the scion side of this forum. FFS...nothing you did caused the problem. The car had an issue that would have happened whether you did your burnout or not.

Black box type information cannot be legally used to deny warranty coverage, and isn't stored for more than a short period of time anyway (snapshot type stuff before an accident occurs, etc)

[driftartist]

damn...

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by gmookher

proof that acting a fool/show off 109 mile motor not a wise choice.
better they dont pull evidence of you red lining it from your ecu...

Does the ECU store use data, or are you referring to the "black box". In that case, the data is written over every few seconds. It saves only the last few seconds of data before a major crash.