Interesting take on 2012 GT-R

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

Well, unlike in the USA, there's a million R32/33/34's on the roads here and they're very cheap. Interestingly, all 3 are slower than an integra type r around the streets.

I've got lots first hand experience in all 4 models, do you?

That is where we got screwed! Going through life not knowing what it's like to drive a Skyline here in the States.

Interesting you mentioned it's slower than a Type R around the streets!?! Focusing on the R34 and it being a DETT, how is that possible? Keep in mind, I'm from the outside looking in so very curious to know.

I've only seen an R34, literally once, here in San Diego and it was a RHD Motorex car. It was definitelly a sight for sore eyes!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RRnold

That is where we got screwed! Going through life not knowing what it's like to drive a Skyline here in the States.

Interesting you mentioned it's slower than a Type R around the streets!?! Focusing on the R34 and it being a DETT, how is that possible? Keep in mind, I'm from the outside looking in so very curious to know.

I've only seen an R34, literally once, here in San Diego and it was a RHD Motorex car. It was definitelly a sight for sore eyes!

I can tell you one thing. GT-R (R32~R34) is nowhere near slow against Type-R. I have seen & driven stock GT-R (R32 & R34) to fully modded GT-R (R32) in Japan. Even tracked it few times. Only thing got close or beat it was Silivia, Altezza (that Altezza was ridiculous.), Mark series, & SC (which was another ridiculously tuned)

GT-Rs are fast... but GXi, GTE, & GTS do lack power. Hey what do you expect from 1.8L engine (90hp)

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I can tell you one thing. GT-R (R32~R34) is nowhere near slow against Type-R. I have seen & driven stock GT-R (R32 & R34) to fully modded GT-R (R32) in Japan. Even tracked it few times. Only thing got close or beat it was Silivia, Altezza (that Altezza was ridiculous.), Mark series, & SC (which was another ridiculously tuned)

GT-Rs are fast... but GXi, GTE, & GTS do lack power. Hey what do you expect from 1.8L engine (90hp)

That is what I was going to assume, a non-GTR model.

[fatoni]

with the usual magazine racing at least people can hide it. with this though im pretty sure nobody has had the pleasure of objectively driving a gtr, let alone driving one in order to compare it to the likes of a lfa or any ferarri. i would imagine the gtr is pretty fancy but so is the evo x and that at least feels like a drivers car. maybe thats the illusion since a computer will only let me get so sideways but its still every bit as enjoyable so maybe the gtr can do that as well

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by RRnold

That is what I was going to assume, a non-GTR model.

A lot of fools in Vancouver got suckered when they imported Skylines. Everyone seems to assume that they are all GT-R's. There are a TON of slow-ass RB20s around.

Same holds a bit true for the Mk3 Supras. Some people who didn't do their homework ended up importing 'Twin Turbos' that were 1GGTE, not 1JZGTE, powered. 210 hp from a twin turbo 2.0L L6. Japanese insurance special. There's one that has been on a dealer lot for over 3 years!

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by RRnold

That is where we got screwed! Going through life not knowing what it's like to drive a Skyline here in the States.

Interesting you mentioned it's slower than a Type R around the streets!?! Focusing on the R34 and it being a DETT, how is that possible? Keep in mind, I'm from the outside looking in so very curious to know.

I've only seen an R34, literally once, here in San Diego and it was a RHD Motorex car. It was definitelly a sight for sore eyes!

People think gtr's are godly like cars just because the gtr race cars kick ass on the track. They're not. Stock they are heavy, under powered, and slow. Not saying they aren't gods when tuned, but stock they aren't all that. The reality is you got to pour some serious cash into them to get them even up to stock evo standards.

Talking stock, an Ek civic type R is quicker around Tsukuba than an R32 gtr. And that is on a track, let alone a street.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Dimman

A lot of fools in Vancouver got suckered when they imported Skylines. Everyone seems to assume that they are all GT-R's. There are a TON of slow-ass RB20s around.

Same holds a bit true for the Mk3 Supras. Some people who didn't do their homework ended up importing 'Twin Turbos' that were 1GGTE, not 1JZGTE, powered. 210 hp from a twin turbo 2.0L L6. Japanese insurance special. There's one that has been on a dealer lot for over 3 years!

Imagine the look of horror when they find out they've got the wrong spec! How much does it cost to export one from Japan to B.C?

I have relatives in Vancouver and have been a handful of times and didn't any Skylines.

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

People think gtr's are godly like cars just because the gtr race cars kick ass on the track. They're not. Stock they are heavy, under powered, and slow. Not saying they aren't gods when tuned, but stock they aren't all that. The reality is you got to pour some serious cash into them to get them even up to stock evo standards.

Talking stock, an Ek civic type R is quicker around Tsukuba than an R32 gtr. And that is on a track, let alone a street.

Oh, so you were talking about a stock GTR! I'm kind of in shock and disbelief but at 280hp/293ft-lbs of torque, 3400lbs, 0-60 @ 4.9 secs compared to the MKIV Supra 320hp/325ft-lb, 3500lbs I could see the difference in stock trim.

But this goes against Ichi's experience with driving the GTR.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

People think gtr's are godly like cars just because the gtr race cars kick ass on the track. They're not. Stock they are heavy, under powered, and slow. Not saying they aren't gods when tuned, but stock they aren't all that. The reality is you got to pour some serious cash into them to get them even up to stock evo standards.

Talking stock, an Ek civic type R is quicker around Tsukuba than an R32 gtr. And that is on a track, let alone a street.

i get what you are saying but tskuba isnt really a power track. im curious though as to where you got your information

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Imagine the look of horror when they find out they've got the wrong spec! How much does it cost to export one from Japan to B.C?

I have relatives in Vancouver and have been a handful of times and didn't any Skylines.



Oh, so you were talking about a stock GTR! I'm kind of in shock and disbelief but at 280hp/293ft-lbs of torque, 3400lbs, 0-60 @ 4.9 secs compared to the MKIV Supra 320hp/325ft-lb, 3500lbs I could see the difference in stock trim.

But this goes against Ichi's experience with driving the GTR.

2JZGTE has waaaay more power under the curve than an RB26DETT.

1JZGTE and RB26DETT are a better comparison.

Have a look at what's out here:

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/se...inAsk=&maxAsk=

R32/R33 GTRs are about as special as JZA70 Mk3 Supras. They don't suck balls by any means, but the Skyline gets a TON more hype than a 1JZ-powered Mk3. Thanks Gran Turismo!

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

People think gtr's are godly like cars just because the gtr race cars kick ass on the track. They're not. Stock they are heavy, under powered, and slow. Not saying they aren't gods when tuned, but stock they aren't all that. The reality is you got to pour some serious cash into them to get them even up to stock evo standards.

Talking stock, an Ek civic type R is quicker around Tsukuba than an R32 gtr. And that is on a track, let alone a street.

I've never had a chance to track any of the mentioned cars, but my $0.02 is that you have been with some very sick GT-Rs or a seriously hopped up civic. No way a Civic R is faster on the street than an R34, driver talent not withstanding. R32, debatable. R33... I could see that happening on some roads maybe.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Oh, so you were talking about a stock GTR! I'm kind of in shock and disbelief but at 280hp/293ft-lbs of torque, 3400lbs, 0-60 @ 4.9 secs compared to the MKIV Supra 320hp/325ft-lb, 3500lbs I could see the difference in stock trim.

But this goes against Ichi's experience with driving the GTR.

I'll bet ya my left nut I've driven more GTR's than Ichi lol!
They are dime a dozen here.

And no one leaves them stock, just an exhaust change gains a stupid ammount of kw's. On the street you don't get the top end power advantage.

Even the Japanese spec supra is quicker around Tsukuba than the R32 gtr. You guys got bigger/better turbos than us, so bigger advantage.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i get what you are saying but tskuba isnt really a power track. im curious though as to where you got your information

Personal experience. Japanese cars are dime a dozen here.

I have worked in the mines and power generation all my working career. My mates all have high powered evo's, GTR's, sti's, supra's, ect... I brought houses.

As I said, you guys don't have them, and thanks to fast and furious, you guys treat them like gods!

My brothers old R33 gtr was a beast when running right, but what a temperamental bitch! Used to get chopped all the time by honda's let alone evo's on the street. His evo 9 is 10x the car.... STOCK!

R32's are over 20 years old!!! Don't forget that......

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i get what you are saying but tskuba isnt really a power track. im curious though as to where you got your information

And you think the street is a power track?

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Dimman

2JZGTE has waaaay more power under the curve than an RB26DETT.

1JZGTE and RB26DETT are a better comparison.

Have a look at what's out here:

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/se...inAsk=&maxAsk=

R32/R33 GTRs are about as special as JZA70 Mk3 Supras. They don't suck balls by any means, but the Skyline gets a TON more hype than a 1JZ-powered Mk3. Thanks Gran Turismo!

Don't let the truth get in the way of their dreams man!