FRS Rear Turbo

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by empower-auto

pre-filter, FFS. (and no that doesn't mean final fantasy seven)

for fucks sake?
@JoeBoxer beat me to it by seconds!

[empower-auto]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

what exactly is that in response to or are you just hating on this thread again?

please explain what it does mean

or are you talking about your Facial feminization surgery (sorry it was the most oft referenced usage of the acronym that was not offensive, and I'm sure you didn't mean offense.) :happy0180:

It means run a pre-filter. Why? Because that filter is right off the turbo and on the underside of the car.

[SkullWorks]

???

it sounds like you might have no idea what you are talking about. length of piping has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a filter, lots of filters are "right off the turbo"...and where would you suggest he runs a "pre filter"...add more intake tubing? so that the turbo (which works off of pressure ratios) has an even lower inlet pressure, and is therefore less effective?

please oh please enlighten us

[Roadstercycle]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

please explain...

I know STS takes the stand point that they invented the rear mount turbo...but I have mounted a turbo in the back of a car before....and I have no intention of giving them money for it...

what was the motivation behind buying a license from them?

My motivation is that I have had people steel my ideas so I know how it feels. So I thought if I ever want to become a vender or build kits for sale that I would rather have them on my side instead of getting a letter from an attorney.
It's only fair in my world. In America R & D means research and development but in China it Means Rip off and duplicate. I live in America.

[Roadstercycle]

Originally Posted by empower-auto

It means run a pre-filter. Why? Because that filter is right off the turbo and on the underside of the car.

Wow, I am running a Outerwear cover but a pre filter? Really? If I was running in the desert or in rainy, dirty areas maybe that would be justified but Southern California where I can't remember the last time it rained, I'm happy.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Sony

Have you even read the first post in the thread?

He is using an oil-less turbo with grease packed bearings...

The lines running back to the turbo are coolant lines, not oil lines.

I haven't heard of even greased packed roller bearings holding up to 200,000 rpms(turbo shaft rpm)......

[Sony]

Originally Posted by Swift

I haven't heard of even greased packed roller bearings holding up to 200,000 rpms(turbo shaft rpm)......

Then you haven't read the thread....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=61

Read before you post!

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by Roadstercycle

My motivation is that I have had people steel my ideas so I know how it feels. So I thought if I ever want to become a vender or build kits for sale that I would rather have them on my side instead of getting a letter from an attorney.
It's only fair in my world. In America R & D means research and development but in China it Means Rip off and duplicate. I live in America.

I fully understand not wanting to have work infringed upon, but they haven't even seen the bottom of this car, and their claim to having invented the rear mount turbo is really hard to swallow since Porsche has been rear mounting turbos since...the first time they installed a turbo.

The idea that they can patent using an area of the car for locating a specific component is a pandoras can of worms....

I'm off to the patent office to file my new ideas...mounting batteries in trunks, and putting scoops on hoods...I'll see you guys in the Bahamas

[SkullWorks]

ok now that I have read his original patent, which is just basically telling how a turbo works and trying to make claims that he invented meth injection, mounting a turbo (practically anywhere that isnt "at end of exhaust manifold"), pumping oil back to the crankcase, and turbocharging as a way to add power...

I'm convinced that Don's kit would also be in danger of STS Super Lawyers,

he claims rights to any location outside of engine bay "relatively free of road debris"


My favorite however....

Those of skill in the art will appreciate, after an understanding of the present invention, that various modifications to the present invention may be made without departing from the spirit and scope thereof. For example, there may be various location points at which it may be advantageous to install the turbocharger system depending upon the type and/or configuration of the vehicle to which the turbocharger system is being installed. Moreover, there may be other accessories not specifically mentioned that are known in the art that may be added to the turbocharger system. In addition, it is to be understood that the above-described embodiments are only illustrative of the application of the principles of the present invention. Numerous modifications and alternatives may be devised by those skilled in the art, including combinations of the various embodiments, without departing from the spirit and scope of the present invention. The appended claims are intended to cover such modifications, alternative arrangements, and combinations.

he sums it all up by basically claiming rights to anything and everything that happens from here forward that pertains to turbochargers, not mounted directly to the side of a motor...

[Roadstercycle]

I know the wording is amazing and a bit over dramatic in the patent wording but the problem is that he pretty well covered himself. I understand he probably was not the first rear turbo car builder, I would imagine a Bonneville racer was probably first but who knows. I would love to see everyone hunt pictures of early, out of the engine compartment turbos to use as evidence if needed by someone but as it stands I just like knowing that know one will be knocking on my door. The license is cheap compared to the alternative.

[Sony]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

ok now that I have read his original patent, which is just basically telling how a turbo works and trying to make claims that he invented meth injection, mounting a turbo (practically anywhere that isnt "at end of exhaust manifold"), pumping oil back to the crankcase, and turbocharging as a way to add power...

I'm convinced that Don's kit would also be in danger of STS Super Lawyers,

he claims rights to any location outside of engine bay "relatively free of road debris"


My favorite however....



he sums it all up by basically claiming rights to anything and everything that happens from here forward that pertains to turbochargers, not mounted directly to the side of a motor...

The second he tries to sue anyone with more money than him about it, that patent will get thrown out. It's far too general...he really just needs a good slap in the face from someone who is willing to fight him about it. Meth Injection has been used in Fighter planes since World War II (See Rolls-Royce Merlin engine and the P-51D), same thing with using a turbocharger to add power, mounting turbo chargers out of the engine bay isn't new either. All the things he claims to have patents on were invented by people years ago.

[ST185RC]

Well from the pictures, at least the turbo doesn't hang lower than the intercooler piping which looks to be the lowest point in the car. At least speed bumps will mash the piping before the turbo.

I'm guessing that rain and puddles aren't a big concern in Cali? Looks like that turbo is very exposed to the elements. I'm wondering what a puddle splashing will do to a hot turbo or the exposed filter... Not flaming here, just geniuinely concerned.

[WolfsFang]

3 weeks and still no video? I love this idea but does the car even turn on?

[SkullWorks]

yes it most certainly does, I saw the car this weekend...and if you had read you would realize he has taken to atleast 1 meet.

he is being diligent and working out the bugs with his setup so that he can go full boost...