Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by Sargy

Wasn't joking guys haha

Getting ready for tune as we speak

Well this is a nice surprise!


...I promised to act surprised ;-) Actually I am indeed surprised because I didn't think you'd be doing it so soon :-)

[forwallblakmail]

BRZ 5700 miles 6017XX
CEL, Stability control light. No power.

3 days away from going to the track.
goddamm*t

[Hachi-roku]

Originally Posted by eurospeed

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I feel it will be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

BACKGROUND
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your engine control unit (ECU) should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018 or related cam codes).

Toyota and Subaru have developed various solutions for this issue which have not been consistent and may require multiple repairs or even vehicle replacement due to limited success. Repairs could include a combination of the following: replacing cam sprocket assemblies, replacing oil control valves, reflashing and/or replacing the ECU. To expedite service and express your concerns, be sure to contact the corporate customer service numbers below.

PHONE NUMBERS
Scion Customer Service: 866-707-2466
Subaru Customer Service: 800-782-2783

Automotive Magazines/Websites Reporting the Issue
Automobile Magazine (2012.October)
Automotive News (2012.October.03)
AUTOWEEK (2012.October.04) | AUTOWEEK Video (2012.October.05)
Motor Trend (2012.October.04)
autoblog (2012.October.05)
Jalopnik (2012.October.03)
Torque News (2012.October.04)
egmCarTech (2012.October.07)

Forums and Other Related Threads
Toyota UK Statement (states 4% of vehicles are affected)
BRZ CEL/Idle Video | FR-S CEL/Idle Video
Early FR-S Issue and Engine Failure | Another FR-S Engine Failure | FR-S on Fire
Idle Issues Thread | RPM Fluctuation Thread | Idle Issues in UK
CEL Thread #1 | CEL Thread #2 | CEL Thread #3 | CEL Thread #4 | CEL Thread #5

Please post the following if you are experiencing the CEL/idle issue:
username, model, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), status of repair [3 weeks - repaired, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.]

SALES VOLUME
Total Scion FR-S sales from launch including September 2012 = 7465
Total Subaru BRZ sales from launch including September 2012 = 2718
FR-S September sales = 1133
BRZ September sales = 508
FR-S August sales = 1913
BRZ August sales = 623
FR-S July sales = 1649
FR-S June sales = 2684

LIST OF AFFECTED VEHICLES
1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, 2 weeks - repaired, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, 7067XX, 3 weeks - repaired, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, repaired, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, 601XXX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, 5.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, 500 km, 6027XX, in shop, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, car replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, car replaced - not repaireable within acceptable time limits, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, 4 weeks - repaired (2 different ECUs), TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, catastrophic engine failure, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, repaired, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, 1100 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, 7073XX, 3 weeks - repaired, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, 6 weeks - repaired, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, car replaced - engine not repairable, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, 3 weeks - repaired, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, 5 weeks - repaired (3 different ECUs), CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059XX, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, 3.5 weeks 1st repair - back in shop, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
56. CharlieChaos, FR-S, 1843 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, RI
57. Ahz, FR-S, 2100 km, 7076XX, Canada
58. 714FR-s_guy, FR-S, 1500 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CA
59. michaelshull, FR-S, 4500 mi, 7037XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
60. Darweeezy, FR-S, 1200 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
61. Ridenslide, FR-S, 10 mi, not purchased, NM
62. 86'ing, FR-S, 865 mi, in shop, LA
63. invaliduser, FR-S, 9 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, LA
64. Jar, FR-S. 2400 mi, 1 week - repaired, AZ
65. @Art_Mighty, FR-S, 1600 mi, 7087XX, 4 weeks - repaired, IL
66. jesperswe, GT86, 0060XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Sweden
67. Chinadian, FR-S, 120 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
68. FRSjeff, FR-S, 1900 mi, 7077XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, CA
69. pixel67, FR-S, 17 mi, 7084XX, not purchased, GA
70. RedRydr, FR-S, 900 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, WA
71. Books, FR-S, 1400 mi, 1 week - repaired, MA
72. FT86Raven13, FR-S, 107 mi, in shop, CT
73. Eri***rummin, FR-S, 2950 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NV
74. UbSaMrC, FR-S, 2008 mi, in shop, HI
75. NeenaChrry, FR-S, 170 mi, 7079XX, in shop, VA
76. ddarko68, FR-S, 115 mi, 7072XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, VA
77. [not on forum], GT86, 1400 km, in shop, Sweden
78. JtoshiroW, BRZ, 2400 mi, 6029XX, in shop, HI
79. Teknian_Culprate13, FR-S, 2000 mi, in shop, CA
80. phat_86, FR-S, 350 mi, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, IL
81. ftc~brz, BRZ, 70 mi, 6032XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MD
82. Hawaiian, FR-S, 6325 mi, IL
83. illmatic2349, FR-S, CA
84. Alienate, FR-S, 530 mi, 7092XX, 3 weeks - repaired, NV
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
86. _F-R-S_, FR-S, 2700 mi, MD
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
88. Sargy, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7077XX, 4 weeks - repaired, VA
89. xomp, FR-S, 2602 mi, 7065XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
90. samfrs, FR-S, 42 miles, 7076XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NJ
91. FRS-ti, FR-S, in shop, OH
92. TheZombi, BRZ, 500 km, in shop, Canada
93. mlrsguy1982, BRZ, 1300 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, MN
95. slideways, FR-S, 1250 miles, 7081XX, in shop, CA
96. miss_paula, FR-S, 1000 mi, in shop, CA
97. HATED1, FR-S, 2545 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, WA
98. Econn80, FR-S, 2 weeks - repaired, TX
99. schmickle, BRZ, car replaced - engine not repairable, CA
100. Goodguy889, FR-S, 2500 mi, 7085XX, in shop, OR
101. Tengu, FR-S, 6479 mi, 7024XX, in shop, CA
102. Dezoris, FR-S, 1076 mi, 7053XX, IL
103. Wcmarshall, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7078XX, in shop, TX
104. DrewZ926, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7074XX, TN
105. Mrc@ptuning, FR-S, 460 mi, in shop, VA
106. Aesthetics, FR-S, 3044 km, in shop, Canada
107. kreisinger87, FR-S, 1100 mi, 1 week - repaired, NV
108. dawnst3ar, FR-S, 2940 mi, 7080XX, 4 weeks - repaired, TX
109. AceNiNe, FR-S, 1500 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
110. Oski, BRZ, 1025 mi, 6026XX, 4.5 weeks - repaired, CA
111. Those_Meddling_Kids, BRZ, 2025 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CO
112. asloned, FR-S, 1988 mi, in shop, AZ
113. timotale, BRZ, 6026XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
114. boonFRS, FR-S, 2600 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
115. eyebone, FR-S, 4012 mi, 7069XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
116. Rob_g, FR-S, 4500 km, 1.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
117. Gavin_Albright, FR-S, in shop, NC
118. tbertran, BRZ, 2560 mi, 6027XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
119. Le86, FR-S, 988 mi, 7094XX, in shop, WA
120. brianlo622, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7096XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
121. neurokinetik, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7074XX, 1 week - repaired, NY
122. Boost_Junkie, BRZ, 1115 mi, 1 week - repaired, FL
123. JiB, GT86, 3000 km, Australia
124. felisa, BRZ, in shop, Canada
125. Plxdjake89, FR-S, 4495 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
126. beardy, GT86, 1600 km, in shop, Sweden
127. Mark_Slide_Squad, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
128. P_Nasty, FR-S, 500 mi, in shop, FL
129. cyrus, FR-S, 540 mi, 7091XX, in shop, NC
130. nomuken, GT86, 800 km, 0577XX, in shop, Luxembourg
131. hands0me, GT86, 106 km, in shop, Malaysia
132. howiedoit, FR-S, 4100 mi, 7066XX, in shop, CA
133. F1shTa1|5, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7008XX, self reset CEL - clear since 7000 mi, PA
134. dropthebeat21, FR-S, 3144 mi, in shop - multiple repair attempts, NV
135. kaitak98, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6028XX, in shop, USA
136. FA20Bandit, FR-S, 3200 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
137. DieselxIndustry, FR-S, 800 mi, 7095XX, in shop, IL
138. mx5_2nr, FR-S, 1710 mi, 7085XX, in shop, TX
139. alexmotrix, FR-S, 7500 km, in shop, Canada
140. IceCreamMan, FR-S, 7500 mi, 7004XX, in shop, FL
141. brichard0625, FR-S, 3600 mi, NY
142. ap5512, BRZ, 4917 mi, 6010XX, VA
143. wotter, GT86, 1830 km, 5388XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Belgium
144. darnbry, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KS
145. KrzysFR, GT86, 1400 km, 0067XX, in shop, France
146. Kieranz, BRZ, 1950 mi, 6028XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
147. rthaanum, FR-S, 800 mi, in shop, WA
148. samseed, BRZ, CA
149. Callahan, BRZ, 1300 mi, 6027XX, in shop, NC
150. SDIAZ, FR-S, 1242 mi, in shop, NJ
151. ScionFRS, FR-S, NY
152. Scout27rgr, FR-S, 1326 mi, 7079XX, in shop, TX
153. ipothas, FR-S, 120 mi, in shop, MO
154. killercl0wnfish, FR-S, 3800 mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KY
155. silverbullet, BRZ, 2200 mi, in shop, NH
156. buzzman, FR-S, 2400 mi, in shop, OK
157. traybelles, GT86, 0040XX, Australia
158. Graksthar. FR-S, 2400 mi, in shop, VA
159. mhigham, FR-S, 980 mi, in shop, MI
160. v3rgil, GT86, 300 km, repaired, South Africa
161. ron_jeremy, FR-S, 40 mi, 7093XX, in shop, KS
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you can add me to the list


hachi-roku,FR-S,1893miles, on 3rd week, in shop,tx

[ftc~brz]

<3 you all making donations!
Thanks much and I will process them as soon as my paypal is verified!

just noticed more "replaced vehicles" from subaru side than toyota....hmmmmm (mental vault)

[developer]

Originally Posted by einzlr

me too, just now

Come on, everyone, who else wants to help out so she can dyno her car and we can gather more data? :happy0180:

Interesting Paypal account name. It might make for an interesting discussion topic with my wife at statement time.

[ftc~brz]

Originally Posted by developer

Interesting Paypal account name. It might make for an interesting discussion topic with my wife at statement time.

yeah, imagine how that looked on a resume....BAAAHAHAH
hey, at least it's set as a donation and not "SERVICES"
my husband would shit a brick! lmao

[Vicious LED]

Originally Posted by dropthebeat21

Update on mine: My dealership (Desert Scion, Vegas) called yesterday and told me they will be ordering a new ECU to rectify the CEL/Slip light issue I'm having. I haven't really read this from anyone else but, I'm curious. My car runs like shit now; acceleration is very slow, and it seems extremely jerky/super sensitive to drive now, compared to before the issue started. Has anyone else been having this problem? My mileage has also dramatically decreased, from about 27 city/32 highway to 22 city/25 highway.

It's been 10 days and still no info from the dealership as to when my new ECU will be in. Luckily, my FR-S is being prepped for SEMA at my sponsor's shop so I won't be putting any more stress on it, but still frustrated about the long wait

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by ftc~brz

yeah, imagine how that looked on a resume....BAAAHAHAH
hey, at least it's set as a donation and not "SERVICES"
my husband would shit a brick! lmao

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by forwallblakmail

BRZ 5700 miles 6017XX
CEL, Stability control light. No power.

3 days away from going to the track.
goddamm*t

bummer, what horrible timing!

You might at least be able to transfer your track day to someone else; some clubs allow that. Or maybe even they'll give you a rain check.

[MikesFRS]

Dealer said a rep from toyota had to come out and reflash the ECU. Gave me a mazda 2 to drive until then. Mazda makes happy cars that are always smiling.

Making a gangster rap cd to bump in this thing.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

FR-S in shop 9/9, repaired 10/6, code P0016: My Asphalt FR-S (vin 7087XX) is reporting a P0016 Crank-Cam position correlation fault code at 1600 miles. CEL and Traction Control lights come on. It feels like there's a power reduction. Engine Idle is OK. Car being left at dealer for repair.

So I've experienced 2000 trouble free miles. There's a weird smell that I think is anti-freeze but I can't seem to find any evidence of a leak. I mounted my snow tires tonight and while I was heat cycling them I noticed this while I waiting for my tires to cool down...

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...when the engine was warmed up the engine idle was cycling between 800 down to 400 RPM and back. Is this the beginning of another CEL?

[forwallblakmail]

Originally Posted by einzlr

bummer, what horrible timing!

You might at least be able to transfer your track day to someone else; some clubs allow that. Or maybe even they'll give you a rain check.

The track I go to is pretty laid back, I didn't pre-register or anything. You kinda just show up, pay 130$ and do 4 or 5 20min sessions.

So no big loss, just unfortunate being the last event of the season. Snow is in the forecast next week.

[ftc~brz]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

So I've experienced 2000 trouble free miles. There's a weird smell that I think is anti-freeze but I can't seem to find any evidence of a leak. I mounted my snow tires tonight and while I was heat cycling them I noticed this while I waiting for my tires to cool down...

...when the engine was warmed up the engine idle was cycling between 800 down to 400 RPM and back. Is this the beginning of another CEL?

Well, it's not hunting real hard like the CEL dip, that's not so bad I know with everything I've read that some little dips are common but I know you've read all or more the same stuff.
I also smell coolant burn off now that I can smell things again. But I spilled a little (3 drops)when I added some in CT that first weekend after flash. I was trying to do all I physically could to keep the cel gremlins at bay being so far from my dealer.
I can't tell if I'm smelling things now just because I'm afraid or over reacting or just plain paranoid.
But I still smile when I rev her stinkin ass out!

[TeamSweet86]

Fudge...
I'm #2 on this list. Lights came on the night I bought the car. Cam sprocket replaced, ecu replaced. Took forever. Fuel pump also replaced for the chirp. Finally had the car for a solid 6 days without anything going wrong until driving to work this morning,... lights came back. I hate my car.


Anybody else's CEL/SL come back from the dead recently?