Production Toyota FT-86 Details and Design Previewed by Toyota Sports Vehicle Boss

[[es vi: eks]]

I cant imagine Toyota using the old EJ series in the FT, also since its being phased out.
I would be thinking a more preformance modified FB.
You get to have the timing chain which is a bonus.
Also If you go by the one picture they ever showed in GT5 of the FTs engine.. The manifold is just like a FB one with D4S printed on it.

Originally Posted by Dimman

Did you catch the part about easily swapping in other Subaru engines?



For those of you that are not keen on the proposed 'torqueless' motor, the implication is that you can stuff anything that fits the EJ mounts into this car.

For the turbo lovers, there are EJ205 to EJ257's
For the high RPM turbo lovers there are the JDM EJ20G,K and their new STI one.
For inexpensive, low-end NA torque lovers there are EJ25's (but only 170ish hp depending on year.)
For smooth engines with even more low-end NA torque there is the 3.3L H6 EG33, which fits EJ mounts.

Buy, swap, enjoy.

It would still be neat if the EJ mounting points where the same on the FT engine.
Subiota engine transplants into older subaru stuff. Could be very fun.


EG33 are a very heavy engine. Would make it very front heavy.
Also they are much longer due to being EJ Series with another 2 cylinders added. So may not fit?
A EZ30 or EZ30R would be better canidate for a swap into FT86/FRS
Lighter, smaller, shorter.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Cuz RSX have lower tq and doesn't actually get tq til higher rpm. Versus NA Impreza have bout same hp, but have 25 more tq and tq comes from low end, so don't feel gutless. It's all bout where the tq line is.

I have the base motor which makes peak tq earlier than the Type S motor. It's 140ft lbs@4000 rpms. Even though it comes on earlier I don't feel it. And if the FRS engine is to make 200 hp I would bet the torque peak would be 5k+ rpms because the peak hp would have to be at least 7200+ rpms to make 200 hp out of a 2.0 liter.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Did you catch the part about easily swapping in other Subaru engines?




For those of you that are not keen on the proposed 'torqueless' motor, the implication is that you can stuff anything that fits the EJ mounts into this car.

For the turbo lovers, there are EJ205 to EJ257's
For the high RPM turbo lovers there are the JDM EJ20G,K and their new STI one.
For inexpensive, low-end NA torque lovers there are EJ25's (but only 170ish hp depending on year.)
For smooth engines with even more low-end NA torque there is the 3.3L H6 EG33, which fits EJ mounts.

Buy, swap, enjoy.

2600-2750lb car with a built EJ257? Wood

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

2600-2750lb car with a built EJ257? Wood

I don't think you are the only one. There just has to be enough room for all the turbo piping, intercooler...etc. If it is a direct swap, that will become very popular.

[Mari0]

Maybe it's just me, but why are people already talking about swapping the engine, when they haven't even seen, let alone drove the car. Honestly, how many people will actually do it from the people that will buy it from this forum? What about all the "regular folks" that will? I am not saying people won't, and I'm glad Toyota is actually making it easier for those that will, but most people will be satisfied with the 2.0L ~200hp NA engine. Some might add an air intake or even a turbo, but how many will actually spill the cash to swap a brand new engine? Reading the comments might make someone think that every other fr-s will have a different engine, but I am guessing maybe 1-5% might, if that...

[Geard]

^ Agreed! keyboard warriors are strong on this one....
In all seriousness Im pumped on this new data, I had started waiting for this car roughly 6 months ago been saving since! Having only ever owned SC/TT/Single turbo
sports cars Im pumped for an N/A change of pace. Trust in Toyota I have and have never been let down! (maybe a headgasket or two:P)
My statement still standing the more range of engine swaps available down the road....when your bored is deffinately an awesome plus! Having done a few swaps myself it deffinately adds to the experience!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Mari0

Maybe it's just me, but why are people already talking about swapping the engine, when they haven't even seen, let alone drove the car. Honestly, how many people will actually do it from the people that will buy it from this forum? What about all the "regular folks" that will? I am not saying people won't, and I'm glad Toyota is actually making it easier for those that will, but most people will be satisfied with the 2.0L ~200hp NA engine. Some might add an air intake or even a turbo, but how many will actually spill the cash to swap a brand new engine? Reading the comments might make someone think that every other fr-s will have a different engine, but I am guessing maybe 1-5% might, if that...

This is a forum filled with car enthusiasts. Enthusiasts who love cars. Enthusiasts who love getting their hands dirty and being in the garage getting dirty under their car. So of course you will have those that do engine swaps to make their car faster and more unique. No problem with that. The reason people are talking about this before the car is even out, is because the mounting of the 86 engine sounds like it will take other Subaru engines; like the subaru turbo EJ series as well as the flat 6 EZ series (maybe, but it might be too large). So yeah that is exciting. But of course the majority won't be swapping out engines. Btw, why do you care about people talking/discussing possible engine swaps?

[bofa]

I would love to do an engine swap but unless I get lucky enough to find a total I will drive the hell out of whatever configuration the stock motor comes in, plus some minor tuning. My cousin does call me with any 350Z salvage he sees so maybe I can add a few to the "watch list". I will definitely wait to see how much room we are working with though. H6 would be my preference, but we'll see.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by [es vi: eks]

I cant imagine Toyota using the old EJ series in the FT, also since its being phased out.
I would be thinking a more preformance modified FB.
You get to have the timing chain which is a bonus.
Also If you go by the one picture they ever showed in GT5 of the FTs engine.. The manifold is just like a FB one with D4S printed on it.

FB by its undersquare design is economy-oriented in nature. Long stroke, small bore is more fuel efficient because the smaller bore means a better-distributed injection and more efficient burn--which is why if you notice that a lot of car companies are moving towards long stroke and undersquare engines.

GT5 is a video game, and it's based off the concept, not production model. I wouldn't take mechanical cues from that game.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

This is a forum filled with car enthusiasts. Enthusiasts who love cars. Enthusiasts who love getting their hands dirty and being in the garage getting dirty under their car.

Enthusiasts who don't know how well this new engine performs, or how well it responds to modifications, or whether it's better to put a turbo in this engine vs taking the trouble of swapping out for a new engine. Enthusiast or not, it seems very preliminary to conclude that engine's better off swapped out.

[PAImportTuner]

Well if you put i/h/e/flash and blow your motor and get denied warranty. Now don't go on a rampage about laws and have to show proof that is was the parts at fault, this is a hypothetical situation where after battling that you are still SOL.

You have 2 choices, 1) buy the new engine for like $4-5k(est) from TMC or 2) get a used EJ205 or 257 full swap for $2-3k, which are reliable til 380AWHP at least, but not many will need that power so 250-320RWHP will suffice and the motor will last a long time.

That's why us tuners.. enthusiasts are looking at things from the get go, we don't know if 170rwhp is going to be enough after the first couple months and you don't know if you'll get warranty issues, it's all about options man options.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Aki

Enthusiasts who don't know how well this new engine performs, or how well it responds to modifications, or whether it's better to put a turbo in this engine vs taking the trouble of swapping out for a new engine. Enthusiast or not, it seems very preliminary to conclude that engine's better off swapped out.

No matter how great the stock engine is, you will still have enthusiasts that will want to swap it out. The EJ series has a long history behind it as well as aftermarket parts. Someone might not want to wait for performance parts to come out for a NA engine. Who cares what others do with their car. If you don't want to do an engine swap or talk about it, then don't.

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

But of course the majority won't be swapping out engines. Btw, why do you care about people talking/discussing possible engine swaps?

People can discuss whatever they please, that's why we are on a forum. My point was concerning the overemphasizing of the feature, even amongst a crowd of car enthusiasts. Especially when a few of them are in the other thread posting about how it would be outrageous to pay more than 22-23k for the car... I get it, people will talk and claim things they won't ever do, especially when they are excited about getting news about the car they have been waiting on for years. My former comment was not meant to target anyone or claim anything other than the "overemphasizination" (if that's even a word) on a feature as if it is a selling point, even though a really, really small percentage of people might actually make use of it. Not to mention that nobody knows what the new engine will offer and what the best way to go about getting more power will be.

[Praetendere]

I wonder if swapping in a 1LR-GUE would be feasible.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Well if you put i/h/e/flash and blow your motor and get denied warranty. Now don't go on a rampage about laws and have to show proof that is was the parts at fault, this is a hypothetical situation where after battling that you are still SOL.

And if your swapped engine with i/h/e flash gets blown, you get no warranty either. Don't see how a swapped engine is any more appealing from a warranty standpoint. Plus, you'd really have to botch a flash to blow your motor with simple bolt-ons.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Who cares what others do with their car. If you don't want to do an engine swap or talk about it, then don't.

Except I never said I was against engine swaps, think you're reading into things. Point is we know nothing about the engine and already people are talking about swapping it out. Don't really care whether people hypothetically will swap the engine out for a car that they don't own yet.