Production Toyota FT-86 Details and Design Previewed by Toyota Sports Vehicle Boss

[Shadowsong6]

lmao thanks... gotta admit, that v6 Mustang with the performance pack is a sweet deal, but I don't think the feel is going to compare to this car at all.

[Godzilla35]

Originally Posted by Shadowsong6

lmao thanks... gotta admit, that v6 Mustang with the performance pack is a sweet deal, but I don't think the feel is going to compare to this car at all.

can't beat the 300+ hp and 30 mpg though... mustangs are good bang for buck.

but they're two different cars. I personally am waiting on this and the new gen coupe (closer cars)... and possibly a GT500 for my dad (I have a really good deal on one).

[Godzilla35]

I'm a little weary of the info JUST because it's only one dude so far... NO ONE else was there and cares to speak? That sucks.

I'm reading on the Club4AG forum link all the time... and Moto keeps calling it the FRS... does that mean the name is finalized too? I know it's a Scion but just want to know if they killed the FT86 name.

I know nothing about Subbie engines except for the obvious boxer configuration and how it sounds on most WRXs and STis... what is (speculated) to be difference in this motor? And what is the closest we've seen to it? I just want to know a little of what I am waiting for. If the gen coupe is 4 cylinder and turbo AND only gets 200 some odd horsepower, does that mean this is looking to be around 200 also (or more or less?)?

[bofa]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

I'd understand wanting super lightweight if this will be your track-dedicated car but for most people who will drive it daily, like myself, I'd want the weight to be substantial *enough* such that I won't get torn to shreds in a high speed collision. I felt least secure on the freeways in my 2200 lb. MR2 Spyder, much less my Kawi Ninja.

Too light and I may install a supposed plug-and-play rollcage. Or is that overkill?

I may be right there with ya if what Moto said is true.

Agree with the bike thing... almost had a soccer mom in a Sequoia take me out one day.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Godzilla35

I'm a little weary of the info JUST because it's only one dude so far... NO ONE else was there and cares to speak? That sucks.

I'm reading on the Club4AG forum link all the time... and Moto keeps calling it the FRS... does that mean the name is finalized too? I know it's a Scion but just want to know if they killed the FT86 name.

I know nothing about Subbie engines except for the obvious boxer configuration and how it sounds on most WRXs and STis... what is (speculated) to be difference in this motor? And what is the closest we've seen to it? I just want to know a little of what I am waiting for. If the gen coupe is 4 cylinder and turbo AND only gets 200 some odd horsepower, does that mean this is looking to be around 200 also (or more or less?)?

Not sure about the name.. it might just be habit on his part, but tbh the FR or FR-S fits the Scion naming convention more than FT-86.

btw are you the same Godzilla that runs my350z.com?

[82mm 4g63]

[debbie downer]
Weren't we already expecting a light weight, RWD car with a new boxer engine tuned by Yamaha with Toyota's D4S DI strapped on? As exciting as words/phrases like "inspired", "hero car", "second renaissance", and "roll cage" are they're just words. I'm holding off the excitement until I see some actual numbers.
[/debbie downer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

LOL...that's part of the reason why I'm getting decals on my tC that say's "It's Only A Scion", so the next time I pass a 2011 Lotus Elise or a 2010-2011 BMW M3 at the race track they will read it. My mockery of the statement...

What does your tC run?

Originally Posted by Flip

Call me vain, but if I had ONE wish for this car, it would be to lower the roof line on the Mk II to the way it is on the FR-S. Such a small change makes such a huge difference.

My one wish would be a turbocharged motor.

Originally Posted by fernan2

you could also wait for this one!

2013 GC :happy0180:

Yep.

[Random_Art]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

What does your tC run?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1456

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1456

Is there a TLDR version? lol

[farugah]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

Is there a TLDR version? lol

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=63

326whp on 93 pump is your TLDR

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

[debbie downer]
Weren't we already expecting a light weight, RWD car with a new boxer engine tuned by Yamaha with Toyota's D4S DI strapped on? As exciting as words/phrases like "inspired", "hero car", "second renaissance", and "roll cage" are they're just words. I'm holding off the excitement until I see some actual numbers.
[/debbie downer]



What does your tC run?



My one wish would be a turbocharged motor.



Yep.

Did you catch the part about easily swapping in other Subaru engines?




For those of you that are not keen on the proposed 'torqueless' motor, the implication is that you can stuff anything that fits the EJ mounts into this car.

For the turbo lovers, there are EJ205 to EJ257's
For the high RPM turbo lovers there are the JDM EJ20G,K and their new STI one.
For inexpensive, low-end NA torque lovers there are EJ25's (but only 170ish hp depending on year.)
For smooth engines with even more low-end NA torque there is the 3.3L H6 EG33, which fits EJ mounts.

Buy, swap, enjoy.

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by farugah

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=63

326whp on 93 pump is your TLDR

Not bad at all.

Originally Posted by Dimman

Did you catch the part about easily swapping in other Subaru engines?




For those of you that are not keen on the proposed 'torqueless' motor, the implication is that you can stuff anything that fits the EJ mounts into this car.

For the turbo lovers, there are EJ205 to EJ257's
For the high RPM turbo lovers there are the JDM EJ20G,K and their new STI one.
For inexpensive, low-end NA torque lovers there are EJ25's (but only 170ish hp depending on year.)
For smooth engines with even more low-end NA torque there is the 3.3L H6 EG33, which fits EJ mounts.

Buy, swap, enjoy.

Yeah, I caught that... but I'll wait and see how "easy" it is to swap in an STI motor. After all the custom fabrication related headaches I went through swapping out the 13b for a 20b in my RX I'm a bit hesitant.

I'm just tired of reading all these great ideas they have for the car and how they're designing it with the enthusiast in mind. I want to see evidence of them on the final production model, not text from some random message board.

[Spaceywilly]

Subaru engines (and most of the other parts) are like Legos. If they really did design it with the same mount points as the EJ, it should be possible to swap pretty easily. The concerns I have are ECU compatibility (it is fairly easy to swap ECUs amongst WRXs, might not be the case with the ft86) and the fact that it's mounted lower which might make the oil pan sit too low. And it would probably require all custom plumbing unless they really really wanted to make it easy to swap and made it so that all the WRX pipes will fit in there. I don't think it will take long for someone to swap a built EJ motor in there if it is as easy as moto makes it sound.

[Godzilla35]

Originally Posted by bofa

Not sure about the name.. it might just be habit on his part, but tbh the FR or FR-S fits the Scion naming convention more than FT-86.

btw are you the same Godzilla that runs my350z.com?

No sir =] but i'm on there... as well as G35driver and NAGTROC

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

as for 0-60 time:
According to http://www.060calculator.com/ at 200hp and 2550lbs curb weight (which is where I estimate it would be at based on the weight of the last Celica and this is similar in size and weight focus) this car should be capable of sprinting to 60 in 5.641 seconds. That's plenty fast enough for me while I learn the dynamics of the car.

That calculator seems quite optimistic.