VSC Sport, Trac Off, Both Off - Which do you use for normal driving?

[Yruyur]

I run with both of them on unless I want to kick out the back end then I will put it in sport mode. Was in a huge parking lot the other day when there was a crazy thunderstorm, no one was around so I shut everything off to try to drift a little more aggressively. After doing two full 480's accidentely I was able to get a better feel for it but was glad the sport mode gives you so much control while still having fun. I left promptly after that

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[michaelahess]

I learned on old heavy RWD cars, I drive two big ass trucks, mostly in 2WD in the snow and ice, only ever using 4WD in the worst weather.

I leave all the nannies on.

It's the same as the previous post about airbags, just because my old cars didn't have them, I'm not disabling mine on the BRZ. It's a safety feature that COULD prevent death. Why the feck would I turn that off to go buy groceries?

If it becomes intrusive, and you KNOW you are being safe about where/when/how you are driving, kill the TC and leave VSC on, that's reasonable. Killing all of it to buy a burger at McD's? Not even smart.

What if that one trip has a random dude pull out and you over-correct with it off? You'd have avoided an accident because of that technology, regardless of driving skill. Emergencies don't have guaranteed reactions on your part, regardless of skill/experience.

[pyro530]

I put the car in VSC sport mode every time I get into the car.
Perhaps I drive a bit crazy, but when the car isn't in VSC sport mode I seem to hit the nannies all the time.
This is the first car I have ever owned that had traction control or stability control and my first 3 cars I ever owned were all V8 powered RWD cars/trucks.

[ABQautoxer]

Full off. I actually put the car in reserve and while backing up I hold down the T/C button so when I put it in 1st, the car is ready. Pretty much the same ritual in all my cars except the Porsche which doesn't have any nannies to disable.

[Shizuma]

First thing I do when I get in my car is pus the VSC Sport button, though in the winter when the roads are slippery I'll likely leave it on, personally I prefer them off because sometimes the intrusiveness can be dangerous when your car is all of a sudden not accelerating at the rate you expect or handling how you expect it too because the system butted in.

I learned to drive (including in snow) on my father's 84 Lincoln Towncar, RWD V8with no systems like that to speak of, my first car was a 77 Plymouth Volare, RWD with a slant 6, and I've also owned a Dodge Dakota R/t 5.9, RWD lowered pickup with a V8 and no traction control to speak of which about the worst thing you can get for snow driving and I had no problems driving that in the winter, in fact I preferred driving that in the snow over my 98 Dodge neon I had prior to that, so yeah, I don't need those systems on to drive safely because I know how to handle a car without them, and the BRZ compared to the Dakota R/T is so much better handling and less likely to lose control, and I was fine with the Dakota.

[wbradley]

Truly, there is no reason to turn that stuff off for the streets unless you want to do something that you probably really shouldn't. Not that most people wont do it from time to time.

I say, switch everything off and knock yourself out in a completely deserted parking lot. Especially in the rain. But for the streets, as invincible as you are, consider other drivers on the road who don't expect to see cars drifting around corners.

Im guessing that for the most part this driving behaviour will be prevalent among younger and possibly less experienced drivers.

[ABQautoxer]

Funny, I can trigger the nannies taking a turn onto the highway because there is a sudden elevation change not doing anything dangerous. After that happened two days in a row of my commute making my car decide to cut throttle like a missed shift with cars behind me, I've shut it off. Up until that (3rd day of ownership) I thought it was rather unobtrusive.

[Skye]

If you want to learn safe driving, if you survive, drive a motorbike for several years. I can now feel the state of the road by the seat of my pants

[PMok]

keep in mind that with the current state of technology in ECUs and black boxes, if you are ever involved in an accident, the fact that you had TC or VSC disabled will likely be discoverable evidence. It might be used as indicia of your contributory negligence and result in you being convicted of a crime, losing a civil case or being denied insurance coverage. I hear you guys that say "I can drive better with my X years of experience than the nanny can", but imagine what a typical jury will think. This young (or old) fool turned off his safety aids and got into an accident -- GUILTY. Sorry but America is too litigious these days.

Those of you in Australia, UK, Asia, or where ever.. have at it.

[Zadkiel]

Full off unless the road is wet. I had one instance where I did take a turn a little too quickly. The turn was a right hander with a crest in the middle of it. The VSC and TSC intervened, but it made the car wobble left and right very violently when it did. I did the exact same thing another day with the TSC and VSC full off. Rear started to rotate. I applied a slight countersteer, lifted slightly on the throttle, and recovered without incident or yawing of the wheel. I was scared that the VSC and TSC was going to shake the car off the road the first time.

That and I hate it when it pulses the ABS to do it. For the record, other than my boring Versa I just gave to the wife, I've only owned RWD, MT vehicles. 1st was a barebones 87 Chevy S10(no AC, PS, and no weight over the rear axle). Then a 2000 Ford Mustang, and then an SR swapped 240SX. Needless to say Winter was pretty interesting those years(PA).

[pinoyplaya]

Anyone having problems climbing a hill with VSC in Sport and traction off?

I was trying to park my car in the garage today and since theres a slight dip between the cement of the garage and the driveway, my front tire got stuck there. Then I tried to get out.... couldnt move lol!

So I turned VSC back on with traction on, and boom! car moved.

Hmmm....

So funny!

Maybe I didnt let go of the clutch

[soconfoozed]

I love a spirited drive as much as the next guy (when my BRZ isn't at the dealer, zing!), but keep this stuff on the track.

I would have to think that even a pre-law student could just utterly slam you if you got into an accident and were found to have disabled driver aids, particularly in a sportscar, but for those conditions where the manufacturer specifically advises it.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by soconfoozed

I would have to think that even a pre-law student could just utterly slam you if you got into an accident and were found to have disabled driver aids, particularly in a sportscar, but for those conditions where the manufacturer specifically advises it.

No way you can get pinned for that. As others have said, controlling the car is actually more predictable without the aids in certain scenarios.

Experience>Technology

[soconfoozed]

Originally Posted by chulooz

No way you can get pinned for that. As others have said, controlling the car is actually more predictable without the aids in certain scenarios.

Experience>Technology

Really? You can't hear that argument in your head? "This guy thought he was driving a racecar on public roads, and in a callous disregard of public safety he disabled the tools put in place by the manufacturer to protect himself and others, but we can see that Speed Racer here isn't so talented a driver as he thought, and now look what's happened" etc.

A decent attorney would probably spend more brainpower deciding what to have for lunch.