VSC Sport, Trac Off, Both Off - Which do you use for normal driving? - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

TSY · 08-22-2012, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

My point was specifically traction control. Modern tiered systems allow you to keep VSC on with TC off. I like having control of the throttle (what little control you have left these days with Drive-by-Wire).

I agree with you about the throttle. I was never a big fan of TC unless there was snow out.

Heck, soon we won't be steering the car either. They'll just drive themselves!

BTW, nice pics. Some great cars there. How long before someone drops an LS into a BRZ/FRS?

LSxJunkie · 08-22-2012, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TSY

I agree with you about the throttle. I was never a big fan of TC unless there was snow out.

Heck, soon we won't be steering the car either. They'll just drive themselves!

BTW, nice pics. Some great cars there. How long before someone drops an LS into a BRZ/FRS?

Just wanted to remind people that once upon a time people drove without the driving aids we have today and simply learned better driving habits.

And an FR-(L)S? Probably in the next year. I imagine it'll be like driving a modern day Shelby Cobra, or has the LS1-FD already taken that title?

czar07 · 08-22-2012, 02:25 AM

Maybe you guys who find aids "intrusive" should learn to drive/overtake etc with all aids on? its not that hard to learn exactly when the aids will kick in...plus you "should" never need to accelerate harshly on the street.

Vracer111 · 08-22-2012, 06:27 AM

Everything off for normal driving; Sport Mode when wet. Sticky street tires play havoc with the traction/stability system on normal mode and there is a difference in how the car feels and responds to throttle and steering as well when everything is not off.

grst1 · 08-22-2012, 08:55 AM

First thing I do after I start the engine I press VSC Sport.
It is more than safe for daily driving IMO. I would say it is even more intrusive for my taste than it could have been. But it allows having little fun without endangering others and having peace of mind if something goes wrong.

Jayde · 08-22-2012, 09:08 AM

For day to day driving, I just leave them on. I see no reason to turn them off, imo.

sho220 · 08-22-2012, 09:19 AM

I like to turn them all off and then yell to anyone within earshot "hey, watch this!"...

sho220 · 08-22-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

You make a few assumptions here.

1) That people turning off these features are doing so simply to drive recklessly.

2) That people turning off these features are incapable of driving safely without them.

3) That people turning off these features did not grow up driving more powerful RWD cars without them.

Judging from the mentality and maturity of a lot of folks here, those are pretty solid assumptions...

Justin.b · 08-22-2012, 10:13 AM

I leave them on... for now, but I'm still getting used to the car.

The systems so far on the FR-S seem very well tuned and generally keep to themselves. I don't think I've ever driven an American car where the traction control seemed like it was tuned for that car. It always feels like they just took it off the shelf and bolted it in and the result is a system that cuts in drastically and WAY before it's needed.

Once I get some practice time testing out the car's limits safely, I will probably still leave them on unless I've got a good reason to take them off. I can't imagine I'll ever hop into the car and turn the nannies off every time.

-Justin

Stu baru · 08-22-2012, 10:18 AM

A fair point about driving experience with technology free older cars, but in general I'd argue that we're better of with the vehicle control than without. It's all about percentages, and the vast majority of drivers (and the public in general) will benefit from rather than be hindered by using it. At the end of the day, it's all about being competent, observant, and careful drivers.

King Tut · 08-22-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sho220

I like to turn them all off and then yell to anyone within earshot "hey, watch this!"...

Do you then tell your passenger to "Hold my beer."?

sho220 · 08-22-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

Do you then tell your passenger to "Hold my beer."?

Exactly! Cause there's no damn good cup holder!

xjohnx · 08-22-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

Do you then tell your passenger to "Hold my beer."?

how the hell can i drink it if my passenger is holding it?

Bg8780 · 08-22-2012, 04:49 PM

I try to crash the car everytime I start her up.

Seriously, I leave the aids on as I'm still learning the dynamics of RWD instead of just reading about it. Also, saves my tires a bit when I use the on ramps.

08-22-2012, 02:25 AM	#17
czar07 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: '97 RSP JZZ30 GT-T Location: Australia Posts: 612 Thanks: 365 Thanked 192 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Maybe you guys who find aids "intrusive" should learn to drive/overtake etc with all aids on? its not that hard to learn exactly when the aids will kick in...plus you "should" never need to accelerate harshly on the street. __________________ Germans>Japanese>Italians>Americans. Unless its a Corvette.

08-22-2012, 09:08 AM	#20
Jayde Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: 2013 Satin White Pearl BRZ Limited Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 2,310 Thanks: 751 Thanked 696 Times in 464 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	For day to day driving, I just leave them on. I see no reason to turn them off, imo. __________________ ◄Tri-State Owners Club, Facebook Group► *BRZerhood*

08-22-2012, 10:13 AM	#23
Justin.b Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 13 Hot Lava, 01 Miata, 09 Outback Location: Boston Posts: 674 Thanks: 42 Thanked 377 Times in 196 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I leave them on... for now, but I'm still getting used to the car. The systems so far on the FR-S seem very well tuned and generally keep to themselves. I don't think I've ever driven an American car where the traction control seemed like it was tuned for that car. It always feels like they just took it off the shelf and bolted it in and the result is a system that cuts in drastically and WAY before it's needed. Once I get some practice time testing out the car's limits safely, I will probably still leave them on unless I've got a good reason to take them off. I can't imagine I'll ever hop into the car and turn the nannies off every time. -Justin __________________

08-22-2012, 10:18 AM	#24
Stu baru Official Cobb beer knurd Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ-L MT SWP Location: USA Posts: 168 Thanks: 45 Thanked 34 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A fair point about driving experience with technology free older cars, but in general I'd argue that we're better of with the vehicle control than without. It's all about percentages, and the vast majority of drivers (and the public in general) will benefit from rather than be hindered by using it. At the end of the day, it's all about being competent, observant, and careful drivers. __________________ Don't text while driving, everyone around you will appreciate you not endangering their lives.

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