Let's discuss SCCA Stock Class

[TRev]

Originally Posted by dwx

I really liked the look and sound of the Perrin on the street so I bought a Perrin catback. It feels a little faster but maybe it's just noisier. It also has a nice v-band flange right before the muffler. ATP makes this 90 degree v-band part here which I'm currently waiting for.

http://tinyurl.com/8mp9w4y

So my plan was identical to yours. I'm using the non resonated Perrin and without the muffler it's loud so I wanted the turndown. The exhaust is also really hot and I don't trust it to not damage something.

As for the street tire debate, I agree with fastmike. I like racing on race tires since it's more fun to me, but in 5 years will we be using R comps in stock? I seriously doubt it. Of course there is the sponsor stuff but the street tire manufacturers have deeper pockets than Hoosier ever will.

Trevor I don't think we ever met but I used to autocross in MKE and know everyone up there pretty well, I plan on coming up there for an event sometime next year.

I appreciate the info! Perrin is one of the catbacks that I saw a dyno number for that referenced 7whp on another competing forum although I take that with a grain of salt after the feedback I saw last night. Again even if it is nothing, I am happy just losing the weight. I planned to add a turndown section as well. I have been running Milwaukee for a few years now and it is a great group of racers...in general every event I have gone to across the country the racers are great. Look forward to meeting you next year either in Milwaukee or at a tour

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

Im still waiting to see the RT cars that are towed to events. No matter what you do, people will do this.

Tom, I am not ashamed to say that I towed my Genesis out to the Spring Nats. It didn't have cruise and I wasn't about to go that distance without it. My tow rig is a diesel and I have an open aluminium trailer so gas costs are very reasonable. I also sleep in the truck often to save on hotel costs while going to/from events. I probably will tow the BRZ to events often as well. I would rather put the miles on the Dodge then the BRZ and it allows me to carry as much gear as I want. I don't have to worry about rock chips all over the front of the car (my trailer has a toolbox in front that shields it with a tire rack) nor do I have to worry about blowing a tire that I can't easily find a replacement for. If I didn't already have the tow vehicle/trailer for my drag car, I definitely wouldn't be going out and buying one though.

With regard to to the classing options, with the number of BRZ and FR-S competitors I am starting to see/here about, I wish the SCCA would try making a spec class out of it with a specific street tire. I am sure a tire manufacturer would be glad to jump on that marketing opportunity. Keep it similar to stock but due to the minor difference in spring rates, allow the swapping of OE springs from either car back and forth. The car is VERY fun to drive, reasonably priced, and would make an excellent candidate IMO. Maybe if we all write letters to the SEB they would give it some consideration as a provisional class...

[ABQautoxer]

I'm not surprised. It was bound to happen with families, people that already tow for your reasons etc. After seeing the hole Priebe got in Eckert's tire just driving to the event site from his hotel, I can confirm the fear is legitimate about ruining your competition tires. I have no problem with it, I just hope to see less people do this as a nice benefit of not needing to. People driving to Stock class autox on their race tires right now are the exception, I hope it becomes the other way around.

[TRev]

Originally Posted by 7thgear

Do street tires save on costs for the die-hard competitors who are aiming for 1st place nationally? NO. But that's a whole different breed of competitors, and if anything i'll get more satisfaction from getting close to the top on a single set than actually being at the top having blown all my wife-allowance.

I would say yes it does save on costs. When I go to Nationals, I am aiming to win but will I go out and test every competitive street tire on my car...no way. Do I think I still have a shot at winning...for sure. With the Internet there is enough information to determine within reason what the go to tire probably is at least to the point that it would give a competitor an opportunity to win.

Many would say that one must have a co-driver to do well on the black crack too. I never did at 2010 Nats and I didn't have any seat time either on the Hoosiers because I had to flip the tire after 12 runs or it would be corded up front (just for sake of comparison 24 runs up front on Hoosiers and 150+ and over 7000 street miles on the RE-11's and yes they were competitive right up until he very end). I couldn't see pissing the money away on Hoosiers to get seat time. I bought a set of stickers and didn't even scrub them in due to lack of insight. It hurt me on day 1 as did the car locking me out shifting from 3rd to 2nd and put in me in 7th. On day 2, no issues, tires scrubbed in and I ran within a tenth of FTD in class. Granted the class didn't have any aliens in it but in no way do I think you have to be a die-hard and do every possible thing under the sun to win. Does it help sure, but I have no problem playing the underdog...it makes it that much more of a challenge and that much more fun for me.

[des]

Trev, did your car come in?

And do you mean RT as a spec tire class, or some kind of BRZ/FRS-only class?

I like the mix of cars in RTR. I'm sure when the class becomes more competitive, we'll see fewer Crossfires and 330s, which would be a pity.

[TRev]

Originally Posted by des

Trev, did your car come in?

And do you mean RT as a spec tire class, or some kind of BRZ/FRS-only class?

I like the mix of cars in RTR. I'm sure when the class becomes more competitive, we'll see fewer Crossfires and 330s, which would be a pity.

No, and bad news today...they are telling the dealer not until Feb. I already traded my Genesis in and it is sold so waiting is my only real option which I don't mind now that the season is done. They are working on getting me a car to drive until then as I told them I can't borrow the one I am right now for that long. If they get me a car, I honestly hope it doesn't come until March as I won't have to buy winter tires for it!

I meant some type of BRZ/FRS only class. I don't want to see RTR go away...I do want to see a spec type stock class with an affordable tire option (street tire) that removes the car variable in class (no index excuses), the tire variable (more affordable) and really makes it mostly about the driver. The twins seem like a good candidate for such a class. If they decided on a Miata, S2000, etc, I would honestly go buy one of those and run that class instead and just keep the BRZ/FRS for a fun daily driver. I really want to see an affordable spec street tire stock class. I think it would make for some great racing and hopefully I am not the only one that likes the idea and would committ to a car to run it.

[xwd]

I'm not sure you will ever see a spec class in autocross although most stock classes end up being spec classes. I wonder how many would sign up for a spec class, there would have to be some kind of trunk kit so the cars had identical prep. Maybe we can setup an indexed Toyobaru Cup or something next year.

I for one like the variety of cars in the classes even if one usually ends up being the car to have.

[Scooby South]

^^^yep

[TRev]

Originally Posted by dwx

I'm not sure you will ever see a spec class in autocross although most stock classes end up being spec classes. I wonder how many would sign up for a spec class, there would have to be some kind of trunk kit so the cars had identical prep. Maybe we can setup an indexed Toyobaru Cup or something next year.

I for one like the variety of cars in the classes even if one usually ends up being the car to have.

Yes, many of the stock classes do become spec but they all require the black crack. I think your Toyobaru Cup idea is a great one and it wouldn't even need to be indexed if it was based on the RTR rules or there were three separate classes (RTR, CS, and STX).

I personally don't like the car variety variable as the car to have can change one year to the next and to follow the changes can be very costly from a monetary and time perspective. I do like good competition though and this year had some very close competition in RTR which was awesome and a pleasant surprise. I just would rather not play Russian roulette with the car to have which can and does change based on course design and class shuffling from one year to the next. With the delay in my BRZ, I am considering jumping ship to the WRX since it seems the closest thing to a spec stock class on street tires. My hesitation has been the change in the WRX for 2014 which could upset RTA and the BRZ is also a more enjoyable car to drive. The WRX would make a better daily driver though. Might have some good RTR tires/wheels for sale soon for a BRZ/FRS

Spec classes seem to work well in the road racing world...why wouldn't they be good for Solo?

[whataboutbob]

From the looks of this thread http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17837 we're not CS anymore, welcome to STX.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

From the looks of this thread http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17837 we're not CS anymore, welcome to STX.

BRZ/FR-S is in both STX or CS, they are different levels of preparation.

The last prep levels we are not classed for yet are street prepared and prepared.

Assuming probably DSP and FP? But both of those are still just a SWAG

[xwd]

It would be nice for it to go into DSP but I don't know if that will happen. I see it going into CSP which it won't be competitive in, those Miatas are too fast. FP most likely, which I'm sure it could be competitive in, but Prepared is a lot of work.

These days I don't see too many making a jump from STX to SP.

Would be nice if the car was classified into SM instead if SSM. Might take a letter. Maybe if I explained the suspension is identical to an Impreza. With a turbo kit and E85 it would be a hoot and imho very competitive in SM, but probably not competitive in SSM.

[jix87]

I thought the difference in SSM and SM was 2-seaters vs cars with back seats. I don't see why it wouldn't be SM.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by jix87

I thought the difference in SSM and SM was 2-seaters vs cars with back seats. I don't see why it wouldn't be SM.

While I can't recall the rule off the top of my head SM prohibits "sports car" based cars even if they have back seats. I think the 911 is the classic example. So it would take showing the BRZ isn't a sports car. I think due to its size it might be an uphill battle.

[jix87]

The Nissan GT-R isn't a sports car?