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mr.whiskers · 02-23-2022, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

on that note is hill start disabled or enabled by default?

I found out recently the first gen hill start assist was actually disabled by default.

Mine was enabled it seems, I have the small green hill start icon in the dash.

Regarding the hill start for how long should it keep the car stationary and does it start working on certain inclines? I am concerned because my driveway got a bit of an incline, not too much but enough for car to start rolling back. And when I stop in front of my garage and try to drive in, I release the brake and it instantly starts rolling back so I need to be really quick. I am just concerned is this how its supposed to be or mine is not working (even though the dash shows that it is on).

I live in a pretty flat area so theres not many hills here for me to try it out, I might go look for incline to really test it, but I am wondering whats other peoples experience with this feature

Yoshoobaroo · 02-23-2022, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr.whiskers

Mine was enabled it seems, I have the small green hill start icon in the dash.

Regarding the hill start for how long should it keep the car stationary and does it start working on certain inclines? I am concerned because my driveway got a bit of an incline, not too much but enough for car to start rolling back. And when I stop in front of my garage and try to drive in, I release the brake and it instantly starts rolling back so I need to be really quick. I am just concerned is this how its supposed to be or mine is not working (even though the dash shows that it is on).

I live in a pretty flat area so theres not many hills here for me to try it out, I might go look for incline to really test it, but I am wondering whats other peoples experience with this feature

It’s fine, and very unintrusive. It won’t do anything on very small grades. When it does engage it only holds the car until it starts moving, you don’t feel it ‘pulling’ on the brakes. I honestly only turned it off because the light is always on. If the light was only on when the system was actively holding, I’d have left it.

jeffchap · 02-23-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnightsky

I only have easy access to 91 here. Petro has 94 but I am not a fan of that company. Husky has 94 too but its hard to find.

I find that ethanol free matters more than octane. E10 makes my fuel pump squeak.

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dragoontwo · 02-23-2022, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

on that note is hill start disabled or enabled by default?

I found out recently the first gen hill start assist was actually disabled by default.

Enabled.

Lelandjt · 02-23-2022, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

It’s fine, and very unintrusive. It won’t do anything on very small grades. When it does engage it only holds the car until it starts moving, you don’t feel it ‘pulling’ on the brakes. I honestly only turned it off because the light is always on. If the light was only on when the system was actively holding, I’d have left it.

That's good to hear. When I rent manual Sprinters and Ducatos in Europe the hill start always holds the brakes too long and often causes me to stall because it's holding me back.

Lelandjt · 02-23-2022, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.whiskers

When I stop in front of my garage and try to drive in, I release the brake and it instantly starts rolling back so I need to be really quick.

Why not use the hand brake? It's a technique that's required to pass the driver's test in a lot of Europe and the reason Ford Sprinter vans come with a hand brake instead of the foot parking brake Econolines used to have.

DocWalt · 02-23-2022, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lelandjt

That's good to hear. When I rent manual Sprinters and Ducatos in Europe the hill start always holds the brakes too long and often causes me to stall because it's holding me back.

I had that issue in my ND Miata a lot, so far no issues in the BRZ. It feels "right"

Desertnate · 02-23-2022, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DocWalt

I had that issue in my ND Miata a lot, so far no issues in the BRZ. It feels "right"

No issues for me, but my Mk6 GTI had hill hold as did my BMW and I didn't have an issue in those cars. It wasn't defeatable in those vehicles, so it's been 10 years since I've driven a manual car where I'd have to actually play the clutch to not roll back when starting on a hill. Pretty sure I'd embarrass myself on a really steep hill.

mr.whiskers · 02-23-2022, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Why not use the hand brake? It's a technique that's required to pass the driver's test in a lot of Europe and the reason Ford Sprinter vans come with a hand brake instead of the foot parking brake Econolines used to have.

It doesn't roll enough to cause me to stall or anything, I am not very experienced with a manual yet but experienced enough to drive into my garage. Just curios if it supposed to be working this way.

I am familiar with starting on inclines using a handbrake, used it couple of times on parking spots with an incline

jvincent · 02-23-2022, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

on that note is hill start disabled or enabled by default?

I found out recently the first gen hill start assist was actually disabled by default.

It was enabled by default on mine.

McMCOO · 02-23-2022, 03:19 PM

I might re-enable it. This particular spot where I'm having to ride the clutch a bit is a short driveway with a hedge blocking my view, particularly of the sidewalk. So it's stop and go and slow. I've just never had a clutch stink that bad in 35 years of driving manuals, including my last 86. Anyhooo...

Lelandjt · 02-23-2022, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.whiskers

I am familiar with starting on inclines using a handbrake, used it couple of times on parking spots with an incline

It allows you to not slip the clutch as much, so less wear. Also, it's just easier and smoother. I use it anytime the incline is enough that I'd have to do a little extra clutch slipping to prevent rollback.

Lelandjt · 02-23-2022, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by McMCOO

I've just never had a clutch stink that bad in 35 years of driving manuals, including my last 86. Anyhooo...

I've never had a clutch get hot enough to smell. If I were you I'd be pretty concerned about the amount of wear happening. Then again, I keep clutches for the life of the car. Other people consider them wear items and replace as needed.

Midnightsky · 02-23-2022, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffchap

I find that ethanol free matters more than octane. E10 makes my fuel pump squeak.

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Far as I know, the place I fill up is Ethanol free on 91 octane, will have to double check today.

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