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[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Unlike MuseChaser, I don't believe in allowing people to make their own decisions.

Lol. Some people don’t deserve freedom.

Originally Posted by wbradley

I'm still free to spend as much time as I want at my sister's beautiful home in Scottsdale , in fact I might buy one as well.

Please don’t. AZ is full. We don’t want you. CA, OR, or WA would love to have you though.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Lol. Some people don’t deserve freedom.



Please don’t. AZ is full. We don’t want you. CA, OR, or WA would love to have you though.

What are you talking about? I can travel or live where I want.

And in response to MuseChaser suggesting I can't long for freedom since I haven't experienced it. I live in Canada. Hardly one of the more oppressive countries in the world, and your comment makes you look kind of silly.
You know what you can do with your exceptionalism.

[IceFyre13th]

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Lol. Some people don’t deserve freedom.



Please don’t. AZ is full. We don’t want you. CA, OR, or WA would love to have you though.

what exactly does 'freedom' mean really?

i mean, there's really nothing but a few written laws 'preventing' me from grabbing a gun and going down to the local stop-n-shop and mowing down a bunch of people. if that is my definition of 'freedom', who are you to tell me i'm wrong?

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

Well;, MuseChaser you can stew on that last thought.

We're just having a conversation, and hopefully a productive one. No stewing required... although I like a nice Guinness beef stew. Is "you can stew on that" an idiomatic expression with another meaning? Not being a wise guy. To me, to "stew on something" means to constantly think and obsess about... yes?

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

MY governent mandates mask wearing in public to protect employees if not everyone else. I'm still free to spend as much time as I want at my sister's beautiful home in Scottsdale , in fact I might buy one as well. There's nothing anti-American about masking.

No arguments against any of that. I never suggested what the Canadian government's policies should or shouldn't be, nor do I have any interest or right to doing so. (awkward sentence, but you get the meaning). Never been to Arizona, but my sister just moved back from there... loved Prescott. I also never intimated that there was anything anti-American about masking; quite the reverse. I said that anyone who wished to mask should freely do so. One more time, to be clear, I am against OUR government mandating masks or vaccines.

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

Regards to demonstrations or protests here against Trudeau, that is an extreme rarity and not characteristic of how most Canadians have handled this pandemic or any other life changing events in world history.

I wouldn't be surprised if demonstrations like that become increasingly less rare in Canada.

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

Freedom to risk other people's safety. Because you aren't convinced stopping flying spit from people's mouths or coughs or sneezes from the path of least resistance makes any difference. No, you're more of the belief the masks are harming people somehow even though I haven't seen a piece of substantiated evidence to indicate there is any merit whatsoever to that belief.

You're attributing some thoughts and statements to me that I've never made, nor thought. "Stopping flying spit from people's mouths or coughs or sneezes from the path of least resistance" is a hygienic skill and required considerate practice that is taught to even the youngest of children, and is as simple as sneezing/coughing directly into your elbow. That is a healthier means of arresting those nasty droplets than a mask is, as the germs are contained far away from your mouth and nose and you won't continue to breathe them in repeatedly nor will you continue to exhale upon them, possibly dislodging further viruses from your mask. I am completely convinced that one should always "stop flying spit etc." Don't need a mask to do that. As to my belief that masks can do some harm, I've already posted some data and opinion pieces that support that possibility. Whether you read them, or disbelieve them, or simply discount them, is up to you.

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

A mask mandate does not create legal precedent for your government to mandate all kinds of unrelated things for no reason. I suppose you also think people have the right to be armed in case they need to resist their government. Antique law, long overdue for amendment.

That's a scary, simplistic way of addressing our 2nd amendment, but I'd have to say on principle, yes, I do think people have the right to be armed in our country, and that one of the reasons for the existence of our 2nd amendment is so that we can protect ourselves from those that would harm us, including oppressive unlawful government. Again, I make no comment about the suitability, justness, or "antiquity" of Canadian law, as I am not a Canadian. You do not wish to live as an American, and that is fine. This, I guess, is just another analog to your opinions on Covid... you wish to live a certain way, and therefore everyone else should, too. Why should Americans change their laws because a Canadian thinks they are antiquated and require amendment?

Originally Posted by wbradley3460926;

If you don't want to wear a mask stay away from the public, do your grocery and all shopping online and adjust to mostly outdoor activity outside your home except within your trusted circle. Or suffer the injurious experience of wearing a mask so you can pick your own fruits and vegetables at the supermarket.

OR, do what I do. Wear a mask when an establishment I wish to enter requires it, or do not enter the establishment. Wear a mask when others around me are doing so and wish me to, or avoid those situations. Avoid other people whose habits are unfamiliar to me. Spend most of my time outdoors, and in the company of my wife and no one else. You are either willfully ignoring my point.. - I am NOT OPPOSED TO WEARING A MASK if others around me wish to do so, and I wish to remain among them. I am OPPOSED TO THE GOVERNMENT MANDATING IT... - or somehow I, after many threads and many posts, have failed to be clear enough about it. Hopefully, this is clear enough.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

OR, do what I do. Wear a mask when an establishment I wish to enter requires it, or do not enter the establishment. Wear a mask when others around me are doing so and wish me to, or avoid those situations. Avoid other people whose habits are unfamiliar to me. Spend most of my time outdoors, and in the company of my wife and no one else. You are either willfully ignoring my point.. - I am NOT OPPOSED TO WEARING A MASK if others around me wish to do so, and I wish to remain among them. I am OPPOSED TO THE GOVERNMENT MANDATING IT... - or somehow I, after many threads and many posts, have failed to be clear enough about it. Hopefully, this is clear enough.

When people fail their moral responsibility (that's what you're advocating for here, though it seems you'd also be against the mask mandate bans? So a slightly broader allowance than some) then what?

That's where we are. Stuck in the mud because a large swath of people don't want to do things that help themselves AND help the rest of us. Why? Because the wrong people said it was a good idea, so they've entrenched on it being a bad idea? Yet they'll massively overdose on horse dewormer because someone else mentions it back before a study was retracted over fake data... and follow up studies have come up empty on results.
What solution do you propose to get us moving again?

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Unlike MuseChaser, I don't believe in allowing people to make their own decisions.

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Originally Posted by wbradley

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And in response to MuseChaser suggesting I can't long for freedom since I haven't experienced it. I live in Canada. Hardly one of the more oppressive countries in the world, and your comment makes you look kind of silly.
You know what you can do with your exceptionalism.

Again, you're attributing statements to me that I never made. Your statement is above, and I replied saying that it's fine for you to have the value, and I only wish to not be castigated for actually valuing the ability to make my own decisions. I never mentioned the word freedom, nor did I characterize Canada as an oppressive nation in anyway.... didn't even mention your country. We discussed your comment about not allowing people to a make their own decisions. You can long for whatever you wish.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by cjd

When people fail their moral responsibility (that's what you're advocating for here,..

OK, I give up. You're correct. My entire goal is to have everyone fail their moral responsibilities, I am evil, and wish nothing but pestilence and suffering upon the world. I do no good, care for no one, am heartless, and wish to spread death everywhere. I am ignorant, stupid, moronic, uninformed, and vile. The only reason I have been posting here is to ruin the world for everyone else.


OK.. back to reality. How anyone can read my previous posts and suggest that I am advocating for people to "fail their moral responsibilities" is beyond me. I am advocating FOR personal responsibility above all else. Most of the people I know are of MUCH higher moral fiber than governments and politicians.

[soundman98]

the root of the cause here is that the general populous isn't responsible. for the same reason we have speed limits that are admittedly slow for the capabilities of our highway system. i believe the statistics say that something like 90% of drivers self-report that they are great drivers...

i understand what you're trying to say, that you want to leave it to the individuals to self-enforce instead of asking the government to create laws requiring the same action. unfortunately, it's a lot like smoking-- which we didn't start to significantly reverse course health-wise as a nation until laws and taxes were enacted that erected barriers to reduce smoking.

people are idiots. government is there to create some order out of the chaos of idiots. i can agree with you, but at the same time, i know the general populous won't self-enforce because #reasons (the prevailing reason is very similar to the driving statistic. everyone is convinced that they're good and everyone else is the problem).

i work in a lot of businesses with people from all over the globe. just the amount of working-class people that don't wash their hands after using the bathroom and then eating lunch or helping customers with those same hands, well, it's got to be almost 50% of the workforce. the majority of work bathrooms i use don't even stock soap, and will look at you weird if you ask for it(i keep a bottle of dawn on my truck specifically for the purpose)... some of those bathrooms don't even stock toilet paper. i make a point to wash my hands after just leaving those places...

you said that you have an expectation to cover your mouth when sneezing, etc. many cultures don't, and many people didn't have as much parental enforcement of that type of personal responsibility, which has created much of the problem we have.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by wbradley

A mask mandate does not create legal precedent for your government to mandate all kinds of unrelated things for no reason. I suppose you also think people have the right to be armed in case they need to resist their government. Antique law, long overdue for amendment.

Fucking lol to the max

[cjd]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

OK, I give up. You're correct. My entire goal is to have everyone fail their moral responsibilities, I am evil, and wish nothing but pestilence and suffering upon the world. I do no good, care for no one, am heartless, and wish to spread death everywhere. I am ignorant, stupid, moronic, uninformed, and vile. The only reason I have been posting here is to ruin the world for everyone else.


OK.. back to reality. How anyone can read my previous posts and suggest that I am advocating for people to "fail their moral responsibilities" is beyond me. I am advocating FOR personal responsibility above all else. Most of the people I know are of MUCH higher moral fiber than governments and politicians.

Poorly phrased on my part. You're advocating for individual moral responsibility. Not the failure of such.

[weederr33]

Wow you guys are fools among fools.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Fucking lol to the max

I am so happy you are a US constitution expert.

You know what's fucking lol to the max? Several other people sharing valuable and helpful info whereas you contribute this crap.

Maybe they should limit this discussion to mature adults, which you clearly are not.

You sound like an a-hole, to put it bluntly.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I am so happy you are a US constitution expert.

You know what's fucking lol to the max? Several other people sharing valuable and helpful info whereas you contribute this crap.

Maybe they should limit this discussion to mature adults, which you clearly are not.

You sound lime an a-hole, to put it bluntly.

I’ve shared plenty of valuable information in previous threads; all of which have gotten shut down. You just choose to skim past it while you respond with emotionally based anecdotes.

Don’t even start on the mature adult aspect, when you’ve been in every thread name calling and throwing personal insults. Your self righteousness is comical, and your moral compass is so beyond twisted, I’m surprised you can even find your own car in your driveway.

Tell me more about the US Constitution though. Lemme grab my bucket of popcorn first, and my 5 masks to put in to eat said popcorn through first, though.

When you’re done, make sure you tell Daddy Trudeau to tread harder.