Covid 19 origin(s)

[JD001]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i dunno, what i'm reading there sounds like a re-hash of what we were already told near the beginning of all of this.

let me know when they figure out who it is/was(i doubt the chinese government will allow them to continue on living once that info is made public). otherwise, there is absolutely no new information in that article...

It's that time of year, the "silly season" for news.. Our Government shuts down for the summer holiday, therefore, nothing to report but old stuff or mental people with guns going on a shooting spree!! Or some foreign country going into freefall after 20years of building it up!

[Lantanafrs2]

I'm still convinced covid came from a wet market and our elected officials are great people

[soundman98]

isn't it really late in the game to be still hunting for the origin? i mean, it's now mutated enough that the original vaccine is getting questionable results.

i feel like we're entering the 4th quarter, and people are still complaining about that 1st quarter upset...

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by soundman98

isn't it really late in the game to be still hunting for the origin? i mean, it's now mutated enough that the original vaccine is getting questionable results.

i feel like we're entering the 4th quarter, and people are still complaining about that 1st quarter upset...

I feel it's people trying to scapegoat for the poor handling when it first happened and they are trying to find anyone or anything to escape it.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I feel it's people trying to scapegoat for the poor handling when it first happened and they are trying to find anyone or anything to escape it.

Agreed. There is some work being done to try to shift the blame. Politics. There is also some effort to drum up anti-asian sentiment because that also shifts the blame, a la, ‘these people are the source of the problems in your life’ type of xenophobic rhetoric. Historically, this has been a consistent political strategy.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by soundman98

isn't it really late in the game to be still hunting for the origin? i mean, it's now mutated enough that the original vaccine is getting questionable results.

i feel like we're entering the 4th quarter, and people are still complaining about that 1st quarter upset...

Knowing how something originated and/or from whence it came could certainly help us avoid future similar events. You have to address the symptoms, but you also need to know the cause before you can truly eradicate a problem.

Originally Posted by weederr33

I feel it's people trying to scapegoat for the poor handling when it first happened and they are trying to find anyone or anything to escape it.

There is no way to address that without discussing politics, but I'm hoping I can just state that nothing about Covid was handled perfectly by anyone, nor is it currently being handled perfectly. At the time Covid was discovered and it became increasingly obvious that it needed to be addressed quickly and seriously, certain measures that would have been helpful were shot down with accusations of xenophobia and racism simply due to party-driven political discord. We also have several vaccines now thanks to the previous administration that were formulated in an historically short period of time. Saying that Covid had "poor hadnling when it first happened" is a statement of opinion, despite that it is oft delivered as if it were a fact. Yes, it could have been done better but the blame for the parts of the handling that were poor is very difficult to place on any one person, party, or other political, social, or scientific entity.

The quest for knowledge of Covid's origin, and the continued battle against the virus, are necessary and commendable. I agree that finding a scapegoat, for anything, is and always will be a worthless endeavor. I also agree that burying mistakes and missteps in the handling of Covid, by anyone, is harmful. Finding the true cause of Covid, however, would be extremely valuable going forward.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Agreed. There is some work being done to try to shift the blame. Politics. There is also some effort to drum up anti-asian sentiment because that also shifts the blame, a la, ‘these people are the source of the problems in your life’ type of xenophobic rhetoric. Historically, this has been a consistent political strategy.

To an extent, I agree. What we need to do is get rid of the opportunists - political, economic, whatever sorts have crawled out from whatever rock, and do a rigorous evaluation of how we got here. We've experienced what appears to be a serious failure in the global public health system. We really need to take a serious look at what happened and how it happened - not with the explicit intent of assigning blame, but of figuring out how NOT to do this next time. Because, there will be a next time. And a time after that.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Agreed. There is some work being done to try to shift the blame. Politics. There is also some effort to drum up anti-asian sentiment because that also shifts the blame, a la, ‘these people are the source of the problems in your life’ type of xenophobic rhetoric. Historically, this has been a consistent political strategy.

Again, a statement of opinion offered as if it was fact. There is no "effort to drum up anti-asian sentiment" anywhere. There is evidence being evaluated as to whether or not the virus originated from the Wuhan lab. That's in China, which of course we all know. China is only one country in Asia, and no one is suggesting that Asia in general is in any way responsible for Covid.

Additionally, no one is asserting that the Chinese people themselves are responsible, although there are certainly questions as to how the Chinese government handled and continues to handle information regarding the virus. Examining and evaluating evidence isn't xenophonic, nor rhetoric. Conversely, suggesting, as many people did at the time, that limiting travel from China to the US at a time when a new, unknown, dangerous virus seemed to have originated there is neither racist nor xenophobic... just common sense. Yet, there was plenty of rhetoric at the time labeling that policy as xenophobic or racist.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Knowing how something originated and/or from whence it came could certainly help us avoid future similar events. You have to address the symptoms, but you also need to know the cause before you can truly eradicate a problem.



There is no way to address that without discussing politics, but I'm hoping I can just state that nothing about Covid was handled perfectly by anyone, nor is it currently being handled perfectly. At the time Covid was discovered and it became increasingly obvious that it needed to be addressed quickly and seriously, certain measures that would have been helpful were shot down with accusations of xenophobia and racism simply due to party-driven political discord. We also have several vaccines now thanks to the previous administration that were formulated in an historically short period of time. Saying that Covid had "poor hadnling when it first happened" is a statement of opinion, despite that it is oft delivered as if it were a fact. Yes, it could have been done better but the blame for the parts of the handling that were poor is very difficult to place on any one person, party, or other political, social, or scientific entity.

The quest for knowledge of Covid's origin, and the continued battle against the virus, are necessary and commendable. I agree that finding a scapegoat, for anything, is and always will be a worthless endeavor. I also agree that burying mistakes and missteps in the handling of Covid, by anyone, is harmful. Finding the true cause of Covid, however, would be extremely valuable going forward.

Nah, it's not an opinion in how it was handled poorly. It was handled poorly. I

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

Again, a statement of opinion offered as if it was fact. There is no "effort to drum up anti-asian sentiment" anywhere. There is evidence being evaluated as to whether or not the virus originated from the Wuhan lab. That's in China, which of course we all know. China is only one country in Asia, and no one is suggesting that Asia in general is in any way responsible for Covid.

Additionally, no one is asserting that the Chinese people themselves are responsible, although there are certainly questions as to how the Chinese government handled and continues to handle information regarding the virus. Examining and evaluating evidence isn't xenophonic, nor rhetoric. Conversely, suggesting, as many people did at the time, that limiting travel from China to the US at a time when a new, unknown, dangerous virus seemed to have originated there is neither racist nor xenophobic... just common sense. Yet, there was plenty of rhetoric at the time labeling that policy as xenophobic or racist.

Anti-Asian sentiment and hate crimes have been up. Criticism has been raised about how politicians address groups instead of the issues, attacking immigrants or Mexicans instead of immigration policies, or attacking Chinese people or China instead of policies related to transparency. This type of rhetoric is common knowledge, so I’m surprised you are calling it out. Haven’t we been inundated with people and politicians denouncing the xenophobic rhetoric for years from colleagues?

Coronaracism has gained significant traction on social media throughout the pandemic. At the start of 2020, former US president Donald Trump regularly referred to COVID-19 as the “Chinese virus”, and this term has stuck on social media since. After the University of California San Francisco (UCSF) conducted a comparative study of close to 700,000 tweets, they found that individuals who used the #ChineseVirus hashtag were more likely to also include overtly racist hashtags than individuals who used the hashtag #Covid19.

https://www.media-diversity.org/anti...ia-and-beyond/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...a-56218684.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/8116540002

Historically, the violence was stoked by rhetoric from politicians and local Anglo residents who criminalized anyone who looked Mexican as people who didn't belong in the United States and who were inherently violent, said Monica Muñoz Martinez, author of “The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...texas-n1041921

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1247932

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

At the time Covid was discovered and it became increasingly obvious that it needed to be addressed quickly and seriously, certain measures that would have been helpful were shot down with accusations of xenophobia and racism simply due to party-driven political discord. Saying that Covid had "poor hadnling when it first happened" is a statement of opinion, despite that it is oft delivered as if it were a fact. Yes, it could have been done better but the blame for the parts of the handling that were poor is very difficult to place on any one person, party, or other political, social, or scientific entity.

Some seemed xenophobic like restricting travel to the US from some countries and not others in a way that didn’t reflect total cases or rising cases, but rather, that seemed tied into racism and xenophobic sentiment like the Muslim travel ban.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

We can objectively compare handling of cases to other countries and discuss delays in enacting policies. This has been discussed ad nauseam. I’m not going to get

[Atmo]

According to promises made, in one week we should be closer to knowing the origins of the COVID virus.

"The United States will also keep working with like-minded partners around the world to press China to participate in a full, transparent, evidence-based international investigation and to provide access to all relevant data and evidence."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...s-of-covid-19/

[soundman98]

ah, promises by politicians... yeah, that's always worked out for me in the past.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by soundman98

ah, promises by politicians... yeah, that's always worked out for me in the past.

HEY! It's from the official white house website. Therefore it's REAL!