And the hate goes on!!

[Jordo!]

Let's pretend the braking and handling is groundbreaking, rather than merely on par with a 12 year old 7th gen Celica GT-S... ok, now face the reality that the car is slow. Crushing deffeats where you trail behind every other car on the track is not a victory.

Anyone serious about tracking the car -- even if they are fine with the lack of torque -- will need to upgrade the brakes, tires, etc. Get over it and stop getting in pissing contests. The meaning of "entry level" sports car, it seems, is slow ouut of the box but with great potential.

Sink another 5 to 10 grand into it, and it will be awesome. Out of the box, pretty, modestly powerred, fairly nimble, but overall slow.

Save up, make it fast. At least its a better platform than a 10 yr old Civic...

[switchlanez]

The idea of dumping $30k of my hard earned money on just a used car doesn't sit well with me. I test drove a C4 and a couple C5 Corvettes before I resoundingly chose my BRZ. The BRZ felt tighter/smoother/crisper. I wonder why. I don't need it to be nosebleed fast like the other used/questionably abused options out there. If it's a fun performer, reliable, safe (in this case, to 2013 standards), and looks great all wrapped in a brand new package I'm sold.

[tnt]

are we comparing apples to oranges here ? a vette vs a frs no comparison - I love the vette but wouldn't get a used one if I can get a brand new frs instead

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by tnt

are we comparing apples to oranges here ? a vette vs a frs no comparison

This thread is basically about what you can get for $27k. People like to strictly look at performance. But a car purchase is about so much more than that. I like to look at what you get as a package, the unique character which can't be quantified by numbers, and used vs. new (this is huge in my eyes). You will get $27k worth of guaranteed performance in a Corvette but how long will that performance last? Is its current performance still 100% of what it was when new? What about the other non-performance aspects of a car purchase? The remarks in this thread are effectively reducing the Corvette to an aftermarket performance mod that costs $27k. For that money, I'd rather buy a new car.

I want to drive a car that that the general public likes to look at but can't identify. That's something Porsche and Corvette owners can't have. May sound backwards but it adds to the cool factor. And believe or not, there are Pinto enthusiasts out there. You're never going to convince them that a Corvette is better than their Pinto.

My point is every car has flaws. A Corvette's strength is its performance. But it is flawed. Among several flaws, one flaw is for $27k you can only buy one used carrying all things associated with buying a used car. The FR-S is flawed. But apparently, its strengths make the purchase a bargain to many out there. This then becomes a subjective argument where nobody is right/wrong.

[Guff]

Why don't you just unfriend him on FB? Problem solved.


There will always be idiots. We can't reform them all.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

This thread is basically about what you can get for $27k.

Bingo.

I still have a lot of love for this car (not quite enough to buy one, just yet, will wait for the "big tits" model :happy0180: ), but i have to say it clearly shows the limits of what you can get for your money.

Put another way: That you can get a 'Vette with 65K on the motor for the price of a FR-Z shows how much those cars depreciate; on the other hand, the fact the FR-S (or MX-5) is about as "entry level" as you can get for a "proper" sports car under 30K, speaks volumes too.

But... enjoy the car for what it actually is and does, or prepare to spend the extra 5-10 grand needed to fund a sportier new sports car.

Anyway, in general, I think any "hate" is just the backlash against the hype. But anyone driving a car that costs more than twice as much new is just being a **** if they are making snarky remarks about the Toyobaru.

That said, I look forward to seeing what one of these cars with another 5-10 grand it in it can do (hopefully as a higher performance model from the factory).

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Let's pretend the braking and handling is groundbreaking, rather than merely on par with a 12 year old 7th gen Celica GT-S... ok, now face the reality that the car is slow. Crushing deffeats where you trail behind every other car on the track is not a victory.

Anyone serious about tracking the car -- even if they are fine with the lack of torque -- will need to upgrade the brakes, tires, etc. Get over it and stop getting in pissing contests. The meaning of "entry level" sports car, it seems, is slow ouut of the box but with great potential.

Sink another 5 to 10 grand into it, and it will be awesome. Out of the box, pretty, modestly powerred, fairly nimble, but overall slow.

Save up, make it fast. At least its a better platform than a 10 yr old Civic...

Jordo, he's talking about a USED car vs a new car. The corvette is great but it's not a cheap car by any means.

Originally Posted by switchlanez

This thread is basically about what you can get for $27k. People like to strictly look at performance. But a car purchase is not only about that. I like to look at what you get as a package, the unique character which can't be quantified by numbers, and used vs. new (this is huge in my eyes).

I want to drive a car that that the general public likes to look at but can't identify. That's something Porsche and Corvette owners can't have. May sound backwards but it adds to the cool factor. And believe or not, there are Pinto enthusiasts out there. You're never going to convince them that a Corvette is better than their Pinto.

My point is every car has flaws. A Corvette's strength is its performance. But it is flawed. Among several flaws, one flaw is for $27k you can only buy one used carrying all things associated with buying a used car. The FR-S is flawed. But apparently, its strengths make the purchase a bargain to many out there. This then becomes a subjective argument where nobody is right/wrong.

Hey, I have a crush on the Pinto. One of the few classic cars that I distinctly love not just like.

[dnL]

[GNS]

Another quality scion thread.

[pinoyplaya]

Well... I get so many drools and people staring at my WRB BRZ as if it was a Ferrari.

But yea, this car isnt meant for drag racing. Its built for handling.

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by GNS

Another quality scion thread.

Bet if it was badged as a chevy people would praise it. But then again when was the last time chevy made something that looked this good and weighed under 3k pounds lol!!

[civicdrivr]

Dude said "minus well"

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by pinoyplaya

Well... I get so many drools and people staring at my WRB BRZ as if it was a Ferrari.

But yea, this car isnt meant for drag racing. Its built for handling.

Yeah, and with new tires it can almost do that.

[sho220]

I just LOVE a good internet slap fight...